Used Maweg Saturn Duo for sale (469)

Year of construction: 2004, condition: ready for operation (used), A vertical EMAG CNC turning machine with automation is available. Speed: 6500rpm, workpiece length range: 22mm-100mm, turning length: 100mm, measuring length: 94mm, max. swing diameter: 220mm, max. pump pressure: 120bar, tool stations: 12, loading stations: 2, robot type: M-10iA, control: Fanuc 16i-TB, weight: approx. 10000kg, power-on hours: 84847h. Including high-pressure pump, tool setting probe, chip conveyor, coolant system, workpiece shuttle system and robot automation. Documentation available. An on-site inspection is possible. Lrjdpfx Ajzl Enbsb Ust

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2021, Offered is a double spindle pick up turning machine VSC 500 DUO. The machine is equipped with 2 independent working spindles and 2 EMAG turrets. The machine can produce 2 identical workpieces with the same machining operation, as well as one workpiece in two successive machining operations. The machine can be equipped with various periphery (chip conveyor, coolant system, external automation, etc.), depending on requirements. COTROL Siemens 840 Dsl TECHNICAL DATA workpiece diameter: max. 440 mm workpiece height: max. 250 mm chuck diameter: 450 mm Lodpfx Abst Du Tdo Ujrt swing diameter: 550 mm X-stroke: 925 mm Z-stroke: 400 mm TOOL CARRIER 2x EMAG disc turrets, 12x CDI 68, with driven tools Price, delivery time and equipment of the machine on request.

Condition: used, mileage: 2,50,000 km, power: 162 kW (220.26 HP), first registration: 11/2010, overall weight: 11,990 kg, fuel type: diesel, color: orange, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro5, loading space width: 2,500 mm, loading space length: 4,000 mm, Year of construction: 2010, total length: 6,950 mm, total width: 2,550 mm, total height: 3,400 mm, number of seats: 2, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, central locking, crane, soot filter, tail-lift, Buy online. Finance digitally. Have it delivered nationwide. Chat now via WhatsApp: Get in touch quickly and easily with our sales consultant. ---- Internal ID number: [ 3439 ] Your advantages with us: * Digital consultation via telephone or WhatsApp * Financing options available even without a down payment * Trade-in of your vehicle, whether old or new Optionally bookable: * 12-60 months used car warranty (valid throughout the EU) * New inspection * New TÜV & AU (technical inspection and emissions test) * Nationwide delivery ---- Vehicle highlights: 19% VAT can be shown separately German vehicle Accident-free 1st owner Euro 5 standard MAN TGL 12.250 tipper with HIAB 077 BS-2 DUO loading crane + grapple Outriggers 3-way tipper (with FOERSERMANN system body) Bordmatic/hydraulic drop-side gate Automatic transmission Air conditioning Differential lock Permissible total weight 21,000 kg Gross vehicle weight 11,990 kg ---- Do you want to lease or finance? We offer attractive deals – even without a down payment! Please do not hesitate to contact us. Contact: Mobile: Phone: E-mail: Location: Lredpfx Asziudaeb Uet Nutzfahrzeuge West GmbH Rudolf-Diesel-Str. 2 45711 Datteln – Germany Opening hours: Mon-Fri: 9:00 a.m. – 6:00 p.m. Sat: 9:00 a.m. – 2:00 p.m. Note: All information on the internet is non-binding and serves only as a general description of the vehicle. Errors, typos and prior sale are subject to change. The binding condition of the vehicle results exclusively from the purchase contract on site or through written assurances.

Year of construction: 2004, condition: ready for operation (used), A vertical EMAG CNC lathe is available. Workpiece length range: 22mm-100mm, turning length: 100mm, max. swing diameter: 220mm, tool stations: 12, measuring length: 94mm, spindle speed: 6500rpm. Machine dimensions X/Y/Z: approx. 2400mm/3300mm/2950mm, weight: approx. 10000kg. Including tool setting probe, chip conveyor, 120bar high-pressure pump, Heilig workpiece shuttle system with two stations and coolant system. Documentation available. An on-site inspection is possible. Lrsdszl El Tjpfx Ab Ujt

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2004, grinding wheel diameter 660 mm Control Siemens 840D work piece width min. 5 / max. 180 mm max. workpiece diameter 200 mm weight of the machine ca. 15,0 t dimensions of the machine ca. L 3,1 x B 4,0 x 2,7 m One machine is suitable for rough grinding, and the other for finish grinding. The machines were used for the production of connecting rods. In our assessment, the machine is in good used condition. Accessories, tools, and work-holding devices shown are included in the scope of delivery Lredoxq R Haspfx Ab Ust only if specified in the additional information. Subject to change and errors in technical data and specifications; subject to prior sale.

Condition: ready for operation (used), HGH 6040 DUO Sandblasting Cabinet Manufacturer: HGH Model: 60 40 DUO External dimensions: approx. 1300mm x 720mm x 1350mm (W x D x H) Working area: 590mm x 400mm x 250mm (W x D x H) | 590mm x 400mm x 250mm (W x D x H) Weight: approx. 120 kg You are welcome to arrange a viewing appointment. We are happy to organize cost-effective shipping for you! You will receive a proper invoice. Ljdpfx Abjyba Ayj Uort For international customers, a net invoice can also be issued, provided you have a valid VAT ID number. Subject to prior sale. Visit our shop and check out our other offers as well. The company names and trademarks mentioned are the property of their respective owners and are used for identification and description purposes only. Deviations from technical data as well as errors in the article description are possible and remain reserved.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2007, Technical Specifications General Information 1. Manufacturer: ENGEL 2. Model: DUO 7050 / 1000 3. Control Unit: CC200 4. Year of Manufacture: 2007 5. Operating Hours: 100,145 h Clamping Unit 1. Clamping Force: 10,000 kN (1,000 tons) 2. Tie Bar Distance (H × V): 1,400 × 1,150 mm 3. Platen Size (H × V): 1,850 × 1,810 mm 4. Mould Height (Min./Max.): 578 – 1,678 mm 5. Opening Stroke: 2,100 mm 6. Daylight (EBH): 1,000 mm 7. Centering (Fixed / Moving Platen): Ø250 mm Clamping Unit Equipment 1. Core Pulls: 2. Fixed Platen: 3 3. Moving Platen: 3 4. Air Valves: 5. Fixed Platen: 1 6. Moving Platen: 1 7. Magnetic Mould Clamping System: Yes Maximum Mould Weight 1. Maximum Total Mould Weight: 21,000 kg 2. Maximum Mould Weight on Moving Platen: 14,000 kg Injection Unit 1. Screw Diameter: 105 mm 2. Shot Volume: 4,160 cm³ 3. Maximum Specific Injection Pressure: 2,090 bar 4. Plasticizing Capacity (PS): 112 g/s 5. Maximum Screw Speed: 150 rpm 6. Screw Drive: Electric 7. Screw Surface: Armoured and nitrided 8. Barrel: Bimetallic M3 Lrjdpfsy Ukfmex Ab Ujt Nozzle 1. Nozzle Orifice Diameter: 8.0 mm 2. Nozzle Radius: R35 mm 3. Nozzle Immersion Depth: 50 mm 4. Maximum Outside Nozzle Diameter: 60 mm KUKA ROBOT 6 axes

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, Mennekes Duo 5103A Wall Socket Outlet A used Mennekes wall socket is offered here. We have additional identical wall sockets in stock. Ljdpfx Abewupyis Uert Manufacturer: Mennekes Article No.: 25.5103A Designation: 5103A Protection class: IP 44 Voltage: 400 V Number of poles: 5 Switch: mechanical interlock

Condition: used, For self Adhesive  Labels and Wet Glue Format Parts for Bottle Size 0.375l , 0,75l , 2.0l Technical data: working direction: left-right, rotative, clockwise capacity bph max.: 10000 labels: self adhesive labels, cold glue paper labels number of labelling stations: 4 number of bottle plates: 10 bottle diamater max (mm): 120 Lodpfszz Rufjx Ab Uert bottle diamater min (mm): 50 bottle height max (mm): 350 bottle height min (mm): 160 motor height adjustment: yes speed adjusment: frequence converter

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2013, operating hours: 60,672 h, clamping force: 4,000 kN, screw diameter: 80 mm, total height: 2,360 mm, overall weight: 11,000 kg, product length (max.): 7,420 mm, This Engel DUO 3550/400 pico was manufactured in 2013. It features a clamping force of 4,000 kN, a screw diameter of 80 mm, and a maximum injection volume of 1,960 cm³. The machine dimensions are 7,420 × 2,360 × 2,360 mm, and it weighs 11,000 kg. It is equipped with a robot interface Euromap 67. Contact us for more information about this machine. • Operating hours: 60,672 h • Condition: Excellent • Status: In production • Maximum injection volume: 1,960 cm³ • Minimum mould height: 350 mm • Maximum mould height: 850 mm • Platen opening stroke: 1,050 mm • Platen dimensions (W × L): 1,100 × 1,190 mm • Tie-bar distance: 800 × 800 mm • Motor power: 70 kW • Heater power: 52.95 kW Lodpfx Aex Nr Ryob Ujrt • Number of electrical connection pins: 32 • Injection nozzle radius (tip): R35 • Centering ring diameter: 200 mm • Number of Hydraulic Cores (FS/MS): 1 fixed side and 2 moving side • Number of Hydraulic Cascades: 0 • Number of Hot Runner Control Points: 8 • Number of heating zones: 0 Additional equipment • Robot equipped: Yes • Robot interface: Euromap 67

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2011, Vertical Twin-Spindle Turning Center - Siemens 840 D CNC control - VSC 400 Duo machine bed - 2 x disc turrets, 12 station, dia. 40 mm, driven - 2 x additional drilling and countersinking stations - Open workpiece transport system - Transfer and turning unit - Interface for an external handling system - Central high-pressure coolant supply with pump, 70 bar Lrodsy N Snxjpfx Ab Uet - Air blow-off for pick-up unit and clamping devices - Workpiece measurement system - Tool monitoring - Emag network option - Sister tool management system Swing diameter: 260 mm X travel: 860 mm Z travel: 200 mm Main spindles: 2 Max spindle speed: up to 4,500 rpm Spindle distance: 1,055 mm Main drive: 2 AC asynchronous motor 60% / 100% duty cycle: 39 / 28 kW Max torque: 460 Nm Rapid traverse (X / Z): 45 / 30 m/min

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2020, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: S36-1969, laser power: 60 W, type of cooling: air, total width: 830 mm, total height: 1,055 mm, total length: 1,221 mm, overall weight: 300 kg, We present the Trotec Speedy 360 CO2 laser with a power output of 60 watts, manufactured in October 2020. Equipped with Sonar autofocus technology, this laser is ready for immediate use and is fully functional. The scope of delivery includes: - Trotec Speedy 360 60-watt air-cooled laser and Atmos Duo plus HEPA 230V - Laptop including Win10 and CorelDraw - Aluminum grid cutting table - with pump for air supply - Rulers in mm - with masking tape - Extraction nozzle 75mm - Connection cable Technical data: - Working area: 813 mm x 508 mm - Dimensions: 1221 x 830 x 1055 mm - Laser power: CO2 60 watts - Laser source: CO2 laser, digitally controlled, air-cooled - Air assist: Improves cutting results by blowing away heat and gases - Movable starting point: Enables precise selection of the starting position for laser engraving/laser cutting - Resolution: User-selectable from 100 to 1000 dpi - Connection: USB interface Lodpfx Aozzkg Isb Uort

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2000, with new ASCOM gunl control, PLC, light curtain, and touch panel, mounted at the inlet of the automatic sprayer. - Manufacturer: Venjakob - Type: VEN SPRAY Duo - Retrofit 2026 (year of manufacture: 2000) - Working width: 1300 mm - Right-hand operation - Price for reconditioned machine - Current condition, in the reconditioning phase - Duo pistol drive - Dry extraction - Exhaust air capacity 10,000 m³/h - Extraction nozzle diameter 500 mm - Belt conveyor system - Feed speed approx. 5 and 14 m/min - With belt cleaning system - With paint recovery via V-belt system - Gun control, touch screen - Installed color circles 1 pc. - 4 Airelss sprayers, Krautzberger KAA1300 - 1 HD airless pump - Supply air filter ceiling - Suitable for water-based paints - Suitable for solvent-based paints - Control cabinet integrated into the machine. - Total connection ~ 19kW - Length: 6,485mm - Width: 3,690 mm - Height: 2,497 mm - Volts, Hz 400 / 50 - Color light gray 7035 + black Lrjdpfxozv Tcne Ab Uet - Location, in stock - Voltage fluctuations max. +/- 5% The photos show only one example of a refurbished automatic sprayer. _____ Optionally, we can also provide you with a quotation for the assembly and start-up of the system, as well as training for your employees. We also offer regular maintenance and servicing of the machine on request. For further information, get in touch with us!

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2007, operating hours: 1,02,000 h, clamping force: 6,500 kN, DUO 5550/650 Advanced Year 2007 Clamping force: 6500 kN Screw: D90, S6, tempered, with flight armouring and ionitriding, abrasion resistant Control unit: CC200 A01 Languages: Slovenian (SL), German (DE) Operating hours: 102,000 1x core mowing platen 1x core pull, additional, on movable platen Mold height increase of 200 mm Variant C, according to the technical sales manual (Min. mold height remains standard, max. mold height increases, platen stroke remains standard, max. platen distance remains standard) Connections for external filter station 8x mold heating control Expansion module for 8 temperature measuring or control points Standard 8-way cooling water flow regulator (0-10 l/min) Lredpfxey Ug Ahe Ab Ujt Cooling water flow regulator, 10-way Magnetic mold clamping platen system TECNOMAGNETE, temperature resistant up to 120 degrees C, incl. interface Euromap 70.1, nozzle adaptation and assembly ENGEL ROBOTER TYPE ERC 63-F X-Max. travel distance: 100 mm Total Y-axis length: 900 + 900 mm (tandem) Z-total: 2360 mm C-axis (125 Nm) 2 switchable vacuum/compressed air circuits RC 200 integrated with C30 E handheld control unit

Condition: not inspected (used), functionality: unexamined, machine/vehicle number: PK D25 602C L0830, Pfeiffer Ljdpfownd Tqox Ab Uort Type: - DUO 060 A For further data, see nameplate image; device is untested.

Condition: new, functionality: fully functional, overall weight: 7 kg, SAUER DUO S3 renovation milling machine, brand new Lrsdjxp Supepfx Ab Ujt Voltage: 230V / 50 Hz Power: 1500 Watts RPM: 2200, head diameter 150 mm. A floor milling machine for: removing adhesives, removing paints, levelling concrete, etc. With proper dust extraction, the machine is suitable for asbestos remediation. We can offer the machine HM Splite with multiple milling heads HM Split. SAUER Trioschleifer DTS 850. Demonstration machine 230 Volts / 50 Hz 750 Watts, weight 2.6 kg. Speed: 1500 - 13,000 RPM. We can supply this machine with a wide range of accessories (see the pictures).

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2013, operating hours: 65,000 h, clamping force: 5,000 kN, screw diameter: 90 mm, total height: 2,355 mm, overall weight: 14,000 kg, product length (max.): 7,800 mm, This Engel DUO 4550/500 pico was manufactured in 2013. It features a clamping force of 5,000 kN, a screw diameter of 90 mm, and a maximum injection volume of 2,480 cm³. The machine dimensions are 7,800 x 2,405 x 2,355 mm, and it weighs 14,000 kg. Currently in production with approximately 65,000 operating hours, it remains in excellent condition. Contact us for more information about this machine. • Maximum injection volume: 2,480 cm³ • Minimum mold height: 350 mm • Maximum mold height: 900 mm • Platen opening stroke: 1,300 mm • Platen dimensions (W x L): 1,270 x 1,260 mm • Tie-bar distance (H x V): 910 x 830 mm • Motor power: 83 kW • Heater power: 61.2 kW • Number of electrical connection pins: 32 • Injection nozzle radius (tip): R35 • Centering ring diameter: 200 mm • Robot interface: Euromap 67 Lrodpfx Aex Nr Uxsb Ujt • Number of cores: 0 • Number of heating zones: 0 • Operating hours: approx. 65,000 h • Condition: Excellent • Status: In production Additional equipment • Robot (equipped)

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, This is a UG I base unit from the manufacturer Rational. The base unit is suitable for Rational combi-steamers from the iCombi series, size 6-1/1. RRP: €596.61 The stated price is the gross price, including 19% VAT. Are you looking for a specific Rational model? Ask us, we have access to a wide range of used and new equipment. We will be happy to advise you on all model types, whether SCC, CM, CMP, VCC, iVario, iCombi Classic and Pro. OUR USED EQUIPMENT SERVICE FOR YOU: * High-quality branded equipment at fair prices * Professional refurbishment/inspection & expert cleaning * Tested & fully functional – or your money back * Flexible shipping or self-collection options Lredpfozxn Nujx Ab Ujt * Competent advice – before and after purchase * Provision of operating instructions, connection diagrams & spare parts * Inspection according to DGUV V3 TECHNICAL DATA: Dimensions W x D x H: 883 x 771 x 85 mm Condition: Very good used condition SHIPPING: Delivery or self-collection by arrangement Worldwide shipping on request Shipping to islands or mountain stations only by arrangement Do you have any questions, would you like to receive advice, or would you like to view something on site? You can reach us by telephone during our opening hours: Monday to Friday 09:00 - 13:00 and 14:00 - 17:00. The sale is exclusively subject to our general terms and conditions (GTC).

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 3,650 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 2,800 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 400 mm, feed rate X-axis: 40 m/min, feed rate Y-axis: 40 m/min, feed rate Z-axis: 10 m/min, total height: 3,300 mm, total width: 8,800 mm, total length: 6,600 mm, table width: 2,200 mm, table length: 4,000 mm, overall weight: 10,500 kg, cutting length (max.): 3,500 mm, cutting width (max.): 2,000 mm, CNC cutting line with two interpolated 5-axis spindles, mounted on two opposing independent beams, with a belt table, for full-depth or incremental cuts on marble, granite, engineered stone and similar workpieces. Lrsdpfx Aoxdi Ageb Ujt

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2017, Overview The winder was manufactured in 2017 by the Spanish manufacturer movitec. It is in operation until the end of September 2023 and can be visited at any time.  Technical data  Max. 120 pallets/ h (with 10 wraps) Dimensions (LxWxH): 5240mm x 3825mm x 4184mm Weight: 2.000kg  Foil width: 500mm  Main frame made of steel  Rotating ring with unwinding device for prestretch film Motorized prestretch system Cutting and welding system Scope of delivery  Protective fence  Winder | Movitec | Saturn S6 | 2017 Compressor | Josval | EDS-900 | 2016 Ledsl Uyfkspfx Ab Uort

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2003, chucking diameter 250 mm workpiece dia. 140 mm workpiece length - max. 700 mm Feed diameter 250 mm Workpiece diameter max. 140 mm Workpiece length max. 700 mm Main spindle power (40% duty cycle) 38 kW Lrjdpfxjydfpks Ab Uet Main spindle speed max. 4,000 rpm Rapid traverse speed X / Z 30 / 40 m/min Tool carrier 3 x disc turret with up to 11 driven tools each, or end machining turret

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2000, operating hours: 25,000 h, travel distance X-axis: 10,300 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 2,000 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,800 mm, feed rate X-axis: 10 m/min, feed rate Y-axis: 10 m/min, feed rate Z-axis: 10 m/min, position of the milling head: 2.5 x 2.5 °, spindle speed (max.): 3,000 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 60 rpm, table width: 3,300 mm, table length: 12,000 mm, mount diameter: 50 mm, total height: 48,750 mm, total width: 1,00,000 mm, total length: 2,12,000 mm, overall weight: 1,00,000 kg, Duplex milling are two machines located one opposite the other which can work seperately or as single machine, workpiece can be machined with 2 simultaneous spindles. Production increase of up to 50% in relation to conventional solutions, i.e. individual milling machines Improvements in part precision, by managing to do the machining of the part in one single setup, in most of the cases One sole operator can control the DUPLEX milling machines Reduced space and investment requirement comparing with two single machines Fast investment amortization due to the high productivity Duplex solution admits different configurations: single working area, pendulum working areas For machining excavator arms / boom like, CAT, Caterpillar, Komatsu, Hitachi, Hyundai, Doosan, Case, Bobcat, JCB, Kobelco, Liebherr, Kubota, Takeuchi, Volvo X-Axis: 10300mm Y-Axis: 2000mm Z-Axis: 1800mm Table Length: 12000mm Table Width: 3300mm Table load: 100000 Power on spindle: 22/30kW Spindle speeds: 60 - 3000Rpm Spindle Taper: 50ISO/Bt/Mk Feed rate X-Axis: 10000mm/min. Feed rate Y-Axis: 10000mm/min. Feed rate Z-Axis: 10000mm/min. Millinghead auto-index:2.5 x 2.5° Working hours: 25000H Length: 21200mm Width: 10000mm Height: 4875mm Lrsdpfx Ajrx Rxtjb Ujt Weight: 100000kg

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), Year of construction: 2023, functionality: fully functional, total height: 27 mm, coolant pump power: 80 W, saw band length: 3,420 mm, saw band width: 9 mm, Semi-automatic metal band saw (fully hydraulic) for miter cuts from 0° to 60° right and 0° to 45° left -3-part saw frame: 1. Die-cast aluminum on the front to reduce weight and vibration dampening Ledpfjvph Hfsx Ab Ujrt 2. Traverse made of rectangular steel tube 120x100x4 mm 3. Cast steel on the motor side to reduce vibration -solid substructure with integrated 40 l coolant tank -Hydraulic lowering of the saw frame, continuously adjustable via a flow regulator -Automatic raising of the saw frame after the end of the cut; the lifting is automatic up to the last starting position, which saves time due to unnecessary "air sawing" -solid, hydraulic vice, can be moved on linear guides -mechanical saw blade tension with electrical blade monitoring -gear reduction gear with slanted, hardened and ground teeth -drive roller fastening using an adjusting nut -infinitely variable blade speed from 16 - 100 m/min -hard metal blade guides -solid rotary table with cutting channel to prevent damage to the table. -engraved degree scale -mechanical miter stops at 0°, 45° and 65° -chip removal brush integrated in the saw blade guard -electric coolant pump and coolant shut-off valves on each blade guide block -ergonomically arranged control panel -24 volt control

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2017, operating hours: 785 h, load capacity: 1,600 kg, lifting height: 1,010 mm, fuel type: electric, mast type: duplex, construction height: 1,400 mm, empty load weight: 596 kg, mileage: 785 km, MULTIPLE IN STOCK This DUO electric stacker from LINDE (2017) has a capacity of 1,600 kg as a pallet truck. It lifts 800 kg to a height of 1,010 mm. The stacker is equipped with INITIAL LIFT, making it ideal for uneven floors. All functions work perfectly. ONLY 785 hours on the meter. The stacker comes with a battery with automatic filling system and an INTERNAL charger. One battery cover is missing. Delivered within three working days. Immediately ready for use and, if desired, can be supplied with inspection certificate. Video to follow. Lredpfxoy R Alks Ab Uet

Condition: used, mileage: 1,24,187 km, first registration: 04/2014, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 7,490 kg, next inspection (TÜV): 08/2026, color: yellow, gearing type: mechanical, emission class: euro6, number of seats: 3, loading space length: 3,200 mm, loading space width: 2,230 mm, loading space height: 370 mm, Equipment: ABS, central locking, crane, soot filter, Fuso Canter 7C18 platform truck + HIAB XS 066 DUO crane Payload: 2520 kg Suspension: leaf spring Wheelbase: 3.40 m HIAB crane Type: 066 D-4 DUO Year of manufacture: 2014 4x hydraulic extensions 4x hydraulic outriggers Platform: Length: 3.20 m Lrodpfxjzl Ifvj Ab Uet Width: 2.23 m Height: 0.37 m Equipment: - 3 seats - Digital tachograph - Radio-CD player - Electric windows - Tow ball with electrical connection We will also be happy to assist you with financing/leasing options through our partners. All information is without guarantee. Errors and prior sale excepted.