Used Star Micronics Sv-38R for sale (2,335)

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 5 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 10 [mm] - Max. machining length : 135 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 15000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 3.7 [kW] Fpsdpfx Apezx Hlns Don - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 10 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 10000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 1.1 [kW] GUIDE BUSH HOLDER 1 - Number of positions : 9 - Number of motorized positions : 3 - Live tools speed : 10000 [rpm] END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 4 SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 8 POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 3.1 [kW] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 1865X775 [mm] - Machine height : 1695 [mm] - Machine weight : 1400 [kg] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc - Interface : Ethernet / RS232 - 3 colors status lamp - Rotating guide bush - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip - Ejection of workpiece - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump : 65 [bars] - Bar loader : FMB Minimag18/4200"A" - Fire extinguisher * NB : working order not guaranteed. To have it checked by a qualified organization of the buyer.

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 6 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Travel : 205 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 8000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 3.7 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 4500 [rpm] - Spindle power : 1.1 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] - Number of guide bush holders : 1 GUIDE BUSH HOLDER 1 - Number of positions : 10 - Number of motorized positions : 4 - Live tools speed : 5000 [rpm] END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 4 SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 4 - Number of motorized positions : 4 POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 2200/1255 [mm] - Machine height : 1735 [mm] - Machine weight : 1700 [kg] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 16 iT Fedjzx Hlzjpfx Ap Depn - Rotating guide bush - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip - Ejection of workpiece - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump : 65 [bars] - Bar loader : FMB Minimag20/4200"A" - Fire extinguisher * NB : working order not guaranteed. To have it checked by a qualified organization of the buyer.

Condition: used, Swiss-type cnc lathe STAR SR-32 J Fjdpozxikgsfx Ap Djpn

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 5 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Travel : 205 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 10000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2.2 / 3.7 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 8000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 1 [kW] GUIDE BUSH HOLDER 1 - Number of positions : 10 - Number of motorized positions : 4 - Live tools speed : 6000 [rpm] - Live tools power : 1 [kW] END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 4 POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 200 [V] - Total installed power : 4.6 [kVA] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 2.070 x 1.177 [mm] - Machine height : 1.760 [mm] - Machine weight : 1650 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Number of hours under power : 42640 [h] - Number of working hours : 23491 [h] - Number of spindle hours : 12535 [h] Fedpfx Apozk Rrvs Dopn EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc Oi-TD - 3 colors status lamp - Rotating guide bush - Ejection of workpiece - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip - Coolant tank - Bar loader : IEMCA SMART 320 / 32 LL - Electric transformer

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2020, Star SB-20R Type G CNC Sliding Head Lathe with Fanuc Series Oi-TF CNC Control, 5 Axis Machine, Twin Spindle Collet Chucks, 16 Tool Positions, up to 7 Turning Tool Positions, 4 Sleeve Tool Positions, 5 Driven Tool Positions, (5 Spindle Cross Drilling Unit ER11/16 0M151), 20mm Max Work Piece Diameter, Main Spindle Speed 10,000rpm, Sub Spindle Speed 9000rpm, Fire Trace Automatic Fire Suppressant System, Parts Catcher & Conveyor. S/No. 7009 (0374) (2020), 1750kg with FMB Micromag 20 6 meter Barfeed. Country of Origin: Japan Fpedpfoz Armxox Ap Dsn Location: These lots are located in Biggleswade, UK. Unfortunately, there are no loading facilities on-site, dismantling and loading will be at the cost of the purchaser.

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 5 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 16 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 12000 [rpm] - C axis indexing precision : 1 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 16 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 8000 [rpm] GUIDE BUSH HOLDER 1 - Number of positions : 9 - Number of motorized positions : 3 - Live tools speed : 8000 [rpm] END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 3 SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 3 POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] MACHINE HOURS - Number of working hours : 73252 [h] - Number of spindle hours : 50900 [h] Fodpszkb Etofx Ap Dopn EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 18iT - Rotating guide bush - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip - Ejection of workpiece - Coolant tank - Bar loader : IEMCA CH 220/32L - Fire extinguisher * NB : working order not guaranteed. To have it checked by a qualified organization of the buyer. - Electric transformer - Number of turning tool holders : 3

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2013, operating hours: 33,100 h, functionality: fully functional, Equipment: documentation/manual, CNC long-turn lathe Manufacturer: STAR Type: SR-32J Year of manufacture: 2013 FANUC 32i control system Rear-end machining Synchronous spindle Powered tools C-axis Parts conveyor Chip conveyor Oil mist extraction system Tool monitoring Fsdpfxez Ipryj Ap Djpn Bar loader magazine FMB TURBO 3-36

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 7 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Max. machining length : 205 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 10000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 3.7 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 8000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2.2 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 1 [°] - Number of guide bush holders : 1 GUIDE BUSH HOLDER 1 - Number of positions : 6 END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 8 - Number of motorized positions : 5 - Live tools speed : 8000 [rpm] SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 4 - Number of motorized positions : 4 - Live tools speed : 8000 [rpm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 7 [kW] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 2200 x 1102 [mm] - Machine height : 1700 [mm] - Machine weight : 2200 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Number of hours under power : 34646 [h] - Number of working hours : 7582 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 18i- TB - Rotating guide bush - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip Fedpfxszrh R Sj Ap Djpn - Ejection of workpiece - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump - Bar loader : Iemca Smart 320 - Electric transformer

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 7 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Max. machining length : 205 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 10000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 3.7 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 8000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2.2 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 1 [°] - Number of guide bush holders : 1 GUIDE BUSH HOLDER 1 - Number of positions : 10 - Number of motorized positions : 4 END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 7 SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 4 - Number of motorized positions : 4 - Live tools speed : 8000 [rpm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 7 [kW] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 2200 x 1200 [mm] - Machine height : 1700 [mm] - Machine weight : 2200 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Number of hours under power : 107555 [h] Fedpfxoy Dim Ij Ap Djpn - Number of working hours : 91025 [h] - Number of spindle hours : 54783 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 300is-model A - Rotating guide bush - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip - Ejection of workpiece - Coolant tank

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 7 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 32 [mm] - Travel : 310 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 7.000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 7,5 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0,001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 32 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 7.000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 3,7 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0,001 [°] GUIDE BUSH HOLDER 1 - Number of positions : 11 - Number of motorized positions : 5 - Live tools speed : 5.000 [rpm] - Live tools power : 1,2 [kW] END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 4 SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 4 - Number of motorized positions : 4 POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 200 [V] - Total installed power : 6,2 [kVA] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 2.711 x 1.275 [mm] - Machine height : 1.705 [mm] MACHINE HOURS - Number of working hours : 18436 [h] - Number of spindle hours : 14949 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 32i-B - 3 colors status lamp - Rotating guide bush - Coolant tank Fpjdpfx Apeyxr Uqs Den - Bar loader : FMB TURBO 3- 36 - Ejection of workpiece - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip - Fire extinguisher * NB : working order not guaranteed. To have it checked by a qualified organization of the buyer. - Electric transformer

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 6 Fjdpfxozx Hlue Ap Dspn - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Travel : 205 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 8000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 3.7 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 4500 [rpm] - Spindle power : 1.1 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] - Number of guide bush holders : 1 GUIDE BUSH HOLDER 1 - Number of positions : 10 - Number of motorized positions : 4 - Live tools speed : 5000 [rpm] END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 4 SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 4 - Number of motorized positions : 4 POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 2200/1255 [mm] - Machine height : 1735 [mm] - Machine weight : 1700 [kg] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 16 iT - Rotating guide bush - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip - Ejection of workpiece - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump : 65 [bars] - Bar loader : FMB Minimag20/4200"A" - Fire extinguisher * NB : working order not guaranteed. To have it checked by a qualified organization of the buyer.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2018, operating hours: 16,500 h, CNC long-turn lathe Manufacturer: STAR Type: SR-20R IV type A Year of manufacture: 2018 Equipped with: FANUC 31i control system Rear-end machining Synchronous spindle Powered tools Y2 axis Manual B-axis C-axis Fire extinguishing system Chip conveyor Oil mist extraction system Parts conveyor belt Bar feeder magazine FMB TURBO 2-20 Fedpfx Aozyf R Sjp Djpn

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1989, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 119, spindle motor power: 5 W, turning length: 160 mm, spindle speed (max.): 6,000 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 99 rpm, turning diameter: 16 mm, overall weight: 2,300 kg, type of input current: three-phase, bar passage: 16 mm, total width: 1,340 mm, total length: 1,850 mm, total height: 1,685 mm, input voltage: 380 V, number of driven tool stations in tool turret 1: 6, number of driven tool stations in tool turret 2: 6, Equipment: documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, I am offering my lathe for sale, complete with the accessories shown in the pictures. It includes a bar feeder and a chip conveyor. Fpjdpoy Udcfofx Ap Don The machine is controlled by a Yasnac CNC system. The machine has two turrets, allowing for multi-axis and multi-group control.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2012, operating hours: 31,800 h, functionality: fully functional, CNC long-turn lathe Manufacturer: STAR Type: SR-32J Year of manufacture: 2012 with: FANUC 32i control system Back-end machining Synchronous spindle Fedpszu I Agofx Ap Dopn Powered tools C-axis Chip conveyor Parts conveyor belt Oil mist extraction system Fire extinguishing system Bar loader magazine FMB TURBO 3-36

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2012, operating hours: 31,800 h, functionality: fully functional, CNC long-turn lathe Manufacturer: STAR Type: SR-32J Fpodpfx Apszzdbrj Djn Year of manufacture: 2012 with: FANUC 32i control system Back-end machining Synchronous spindle Powered tools C-axis Chip conveyor Parts conveyor belt Oil mist extraction system Fire extinguishing system Bar loader magazine FMB TURBO 3-36

Condition: excellent (used), Star SA-12 Swiss-Type Lathe Technical Specifications Rapid feed (X, Y, Z, ZB): 370 mm Maximum turning feed (X, Y, Z, ZB): 270 mm Smallest input unit (X, Y, Z, ZB): 120 mm Machining Capacity Maximum turning diameter: 13 mm Maximum headstock stroke: 140 mm Maximum drilling capacity: 7 mm Maximum tapping capacity: 7 mm Maximum thread cutting capacity: M6 x P1.0 Main Spindle Spindle speed: 500 – 12,000 rpm Drive: Spindle drive Main spindle motor: 2.2 / 3.7 kW Main spindle indexing angle: 1° or 15° Main spindle bore: 20 mm Tool slide Type: Linear slide Number of tools: 6 tools Number of driven tools: 3 tools (collet: ER 11) Driven tools Spindle speed: 1970 / 2330 rpm Max. drilling capacity: 4 mm Max. milling capacity: 4 mm Pick-up spindle Max. clamping diameter: 13 mm Max. part length for forward ejection: 85 mm Max. unclamping length: 30 mm Spindle speed: 500 – 8000 rpm Pick-up spindle motor: 0.5 kW Tool selection: 4 tools Max. drilling capacity: 4 mm Fodpfxewi Ty Ae Ap Dopn Max. tapping capacity: M3 x P0.5 Power supply Voltage: 3-phase 200/220 V Frequency: 50/60 Hz Power: Average: 6.0 KVA SCOPE OF OFFER Among other things: (list not exhaustive): STAR SA-12 Swiss-Type Lathe Control: Fanuc Series 18i-T Fire Extinguishing System Coolant Tank Transformer LNS Bar Loader Exact scope of supply as per photo gallery No liability is assumed for the accuracy, completeness, or timeliness of the information.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2015, spindle motor power: 7,500 W, spindle speed (max.): 7,000 rpm, overall weight: 2,200 kg, total height: 1,700 mm, workpiece diameter (max.): 32 mm, number of axes: 7, This 7-axis Star SR-20J type C Swiss Type Turning was manufactured in 2015. It features a maximum machining diameter of 32mm, headstock stroke of 310mm, and spindle speeds up to 7,000rpm. Equipped with a Hydrajet BF20-2000 high-pressure coolant system and an Absolent A.Mist 10S mist extraction unit, the Star SR-20J type C represents a robust addition to any machining setup. Contact us for further details regarding this Swiss Type Turning. Additional equipment • High Pressure Coolant System: Hydrajet BF20-2000 • Mist Extraction Unit: Absolent A.Mist 10S • Fire Suppressor: Stat X • Signal Production Tower: Werna Machine Benefits Qualitative Machine Benefits • Includes comprehensive safety and environmental management systems (fire suppressor, mist extraction) Technical Machine Benefits • Rapid feed rate 24m/min, maximum spindle speed 7000 rpm, maximum driven tool speed 6000 rpm Extra Information Manuals included Machine still under power Dimensions Fpsdjyi Emtspfx Ap Dsn Machine Depth 2250 mm

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 7 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 32 [mm] - Travel : 310 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 7.000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 7,5 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0,001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 32 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 7.000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 3,7 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0,001 [°] GUIDE BUSH HOLDER 1 - Number of positions : 11 - Number of motorized positions : 5 - Live tools speed : 5.000 [rpm] - Live tools power : 1,2 [kW] END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 4 SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 4 - Number of motorized positions : 4 POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 200 [V] - Total installed power : 6,2 [kVA] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 2.711 x 1.275 [mm] - Machine height : 1.705 [mm] - Machine weight : 3.100 [kg] Fjdpfx Apouhazae Dspn MACHINE HOURS - Number of working hours : 35.367 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 18i-TB - 3 colors status lamp - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump - Bar loader : FMB Turbo 3-36/3200/A (2008)) - Ejection of workpiece - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip - Chips conveyor - Fire extinguisher * NB : working order not guaranteed. To have it checked by a qualified organization of the buyer.

Condition: used, Swiss-type cnc lathe STAR SE-12 Fpedpfjwp T I Tjx Ap Djn

Condition: used, STAR SR-16 R is a CNC automatic lathe / CNC Swiss type lathe offering high precision, accuracy and reliable performance. Capacities: 7 axes, 2 spindles, max turning length 205 mm, spindle bore 16 mm, max drilling Ø10 mm; travels X1 16 mm, X2 40 mm, Y1 89 mm, Z1 205 mm, Z2 80 mm, C‑axis spindle resolution 0.01°. Specs: main spindle up to 12,000 rpm, back spindle up to 8,000 rpm, driven tool speeds 8,000 rpm, rapid traverse 20 m/min; supply 3x400 V 50 Hz, total power 6 kVA; weight ~2200 kg, footprint 2207×1080×1700 mm. Accessories: LNS SUPER HYDROBAR bar feeder, ELBARON oil‑mist extractor, transformer. Achieves tight tolerances; suited for automotive, watchmaking, machine tools, aerospace and medical sectors Fpedpfx Apoz Dvz Te Djn

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2000, functionality: fully functional, Controller Fanuc 18i-T NC controlled axes 6 Original Japan With barfeeder FMB mini turbo 2-16 / 3200 A Fjdpfoxvbbfjx Ap Dspn For 3 m bars Max. turning dia 16 mm Max. drilling capacity 7 mm Max. tapping capacity M6 Rapid feed in X/Y/Z/ZB = 20/20/20 m/min Rapid feed in A = 78,5 m/min Feedrate in X/Y/Z/ZB = 10/10/10 m/min Feedrate A = 10 m/min Main spindle speed 500 - 12000 rpm Main spindle power 100/40% ED/Power 2,2 kW Outer tool places 6 Driven tool places 3 Rear side operation Max. turning dia D16 mm Max. part length 85 mm Sub spindle speed 500 - 8000 rpm Sub spindle power 0,55 kW Max. drilling capacity 4 mm Max. tapping capacity M3 Weight 1700 kgs Dimensions LxWxH = 2163 x 770 x 1650 mm Features, accessories - FMB Mini Turbo barfeeder 3 meter - C axis on both spindles - Low volt lamp - Hydraulic unit - Coolant unit (run with oil) - Central lubrication - Door interlock - Ready part conveyor The lathe was removed from production recently. Good condition.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1996, functionality: fully functional, STAR SH-12 CNC long lathe TECHNICAL DATA Turning diameter: 13 mm Headstock stroke: 140 mm Speed: 400 – 10,000 rpm Spindle power: 1.5 kW Number of tools: 5 Number of tools in the device: 3 Dimensions of the machine: 1500 x 950 x 1650 mm Weight: Approx. 950 kg Fpjdpfjvllmhex Ap Dsn SCOPE OF OFFER Among other things: (list not exhaustive) STAR SH-12 CNC lathe Bar loader Coolant pump Transformer Exact scope of offer according to photo gallery We accept no liability for the accuracy, completeness and timeliness of the information.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2007, turning diameter over bed 32 mm spindle passage 32 mm turning length 125 mm Control YASKAWA SIEMENS 840 DI V2 spindle turning speed range 7000 U/min workpiece length - max. 150 mm clamping diameter 32 mm feed 0 - 2000 mm/min weight of the machine ca. 5,7 t dimensions of the machine ca. 10,5 x 2 x 1,9 m The sliding headstock automatic lathe is in good condition and ready for immediate use. Fpedpfx Apexq Hk Ue Den with tool holders and spare parts. >> Two identical STAR 32T sliding headstock lathes are available

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 4 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 13 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 10'000 [rpm] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Z stroke : 140 [mm] GUIDE BUSH HOLDER 1 - Number of positions : 5 SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 3 POWER SUPPLY Fodpfx Aeuhaxxjp Depn - Supply voltage : 3 x 380 [V] - Total installed power : 3.5 [kVA] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 21iT - Parts catcher - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump - Bar loader : LNS Alpha 320

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2003, operating hours: 86,000 h, machine/vehicle number: IntNr231169, STAR CNC Swiss-type lathe SB 16, Year 2003 CNC control: FANUC 18i-TB Technical Data - Number of axes: 6 - Number of spindles: 2 Fpsdpfez Irttsx Ap Den MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter: 16 mm - Z-axis stroke: 205 mm - Spindle speed: 10,000 rpm - Spindle drive power: 3.7 kW - C-axis minimum resolution: 0.001 SUB SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter: 16 mm - Spindle speed: 8,000 rpm - C-axis minimum resolution: 0.001 Bar feeder: FMB Minimag 3200/A Bar diameter: 2–16 mm Bar length: 3,200 mm Kraft & Bauer fire suppression system Mayfran chip conveyor Operating manual included The machine can be powered up and inspected by appointment. Technical data and specifications subject to change and prior sale; errors excepted!