Used Flecks 10 Hl Brewhouse (2013) for sale (33,022)

Condition: ready for operation (used), Elaso EB 5003 Eltrobalance balancing unit with key, without connection cable, serial number: 11-850, used, in good condition, 100% functional, scope of delivery as per photos. Kodpfx Aasx Eq I Ajhsdp

Condition: ready for operation (used), Nippon Gerotor 100-2PC-2AH0-HL indexing motor, serial number as shown in the photo, used, with normal signs of wear, 100% functional, scope of delivery as shown in the photos. Kdjdpoi D I Uyofx Aahop

Condition: ready for operation (used), Pallet feeder PF Touch screen Navigation with auto set plates rollers 4 plates Kjdpfxeyx Nltj Aahedp 2 knives Side pocket heidelberg presser stacker delivery

Condition: new, mileage: 300 km, power: 154 kW (209.38 HP), fuel type: electric, number of seats: 26, gearing type: automatic, color: white, Year of construction: 2025, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, electronic stability program (ESP), parking heater, soot filter, * Mercedes Sprinter eSprinter electric * 113 kWh battery * Up to 450km range * DC 115KW * 15 seats * 10 standing places * Wheelchair space * Roof air conditioning for the passenger compartment * Automatic transmission * Cruise control * Multifunction steering wheel * Air conditioning for driver * Swivel seat for driver * Roof air conditioning * Parking heater * Heating passenger compartment * LED lighting white and blue * USB charging stations in the passenger compartment * Handrails * Stop buttons * Wheelchair ramp * Reversing camera * Anti-slip floor * Electric swing doors * Folding seats * Assistant systems * Preparation for destination display * Roof hatch * Rear low-floor * Bus extension * Financing possible Kodpovm Hzcsfx Aahsdp * Deposits possible * Intermediate sale, errors and changes excepted

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2023, machine/vehicle number: H2200058, power: 4 kW (5.44 HP), pressure (min.): 10 bar, new piston compressor available immediately: ALMIG HLA-10-10-270 (10 bar) with 270 liter compressed air tank with star delta connection Year: 2022 Hours: 0 h 3 cylinders Pressure: 10 bar Rated power: 7.5 kW Kjdpozb E A Eefx Aahjdp Delivery quantity at 7 bar: 801 l / min Compressed air outlet: 3/4 " Dimensions length x width x height: 1580 x 1311 x 657 mm Weight: 324 kg Visit our store. We always have a large selection of new and used compressors in stock! Immediately available.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2021, functionality: fully functional, BUSCH HL 110 (Pile Lift) Year: 2021 # Max. load: 1000 kg Kjdsy Iuabopfx Aahjdp Platform E size: 780 x 1100 mm # Max. stroke: 900 mm In excellent working condition # Location: Krefeld, Germany

Condition: used, mileage: 6,797 km, gearing type: other, fuel type: electric, color: red, empty load weight: 1,090 kg, maximum load weight: 150 kg, number of seats: 1, first registration: 11/2012, emission class: none, suspension: other, Year of construction: 2012, operating hours: 6,797 h, driver cabin: other, fuel: electricity, The Linde P 60 Z tow tractor is a versatile and efficient electric tow tractor ideal for industrial applications. The model was first registered on November 13, 2012, and has a mileage of 6,797 kilometers and 6,797 operating hours. It is a used vehicle with one previous owner, painted in a striking red. The tow tractor accommodates one driver and is specifically designed for commercial users such as farmers or logistics companies. This tow tractor is ideal for internal transport and is characterized by its reliability and ease of use. The battery was replaced in October 2019, which means extended operating time and less downtime for the operator. The electric drive ensures emission-free indoor mobility and supports users who value environmentally friendly solutions. Another advantage is the availability of various loading options, allowing the Linde P 60 Z to be integrated into different operational processes. A registration service is available, and delivery within Germany can be arranged for an additional charge. Viewings can be arranged without prior appointment during business hours, and professional support is available in several languages. Kdjdpewgpt Tefx Aahop Sale only to commercial customers (agriculture, freelancers, small and large businesses) or export. Errors and prior sale excepted.

Condition: used, mileage: 10,636 km, gearing type: other, fuel type: electric, color: red, overall weight: 1,330 kg, empty load weight: 700 kg, maximum load weight: 150 kg, number of seats: 1, first registration: 11/2015, emission class: none, suspension: other, Year of construction: 2015, operating hours: 10,636 h, driver cabin: other, fuel: electricity, The Linde P 60 Z tow tractor is a powerful three-wheeled electric vehicle designed for efficient towing tasks in industrial environments. First registered on 23 November 2015, this used vehicle has accumulated 10,636 operating hours or kilometers to date. Its striking red design and robust technical specifications make this model stand out. The tractor features a single seat, making it ideal for individual tasks in the logistics and transport sector. Its electric drive ensures environmentally friendly and cost-effective operation. The permissible total weight is 1,330 kg, allowing for solid transport operations. An inspection can be carried out without prior appointment. Further information and contact details can be found on the specified website. Sale to businesses only (agriculture, freelancers, small and large enterprises) or export. Errors and prior sale excepted. Kjdpswu Ig Ujfx Aahjdp

Condition: used, mileage: 2,45,994 km, power: 213 kW (289.60 HP), first registration: 12/2013, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 15,000 kg, axle configuration: 2 axles, color: white, gearing type: mechanical, emission class: euro6, loading space length: 6,900 mm, loading space width: 2,440 mm, loading space height: 2,400 mm, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, electronic stability program (ESP), tail-lift, Tel.: call (Contact · Telephone · Mobile · WhatsApp) Special equipment: Storage box, end traverse, car phone antenna, audio system: MAN Media Truck Advanced 12V radio with navigation system pre-installation, 175 Ah battery, mechanical battery master switch, rear axle differential lock, cab: with external grab handle, comfort driver’s seat, air-suspended and heated, with lumbar support and adjustable shoulder area, flame start system, generator 28 V / 120 A, 12-speed gearbox - type: ZF 12 AS, Tipmatic, rocker lever - EVB brake, automatic climate control, fuel tank: combination tank - 220 L diesel + 20 L urea solution (AdBlue), multifunction steering wheel, reading lamps for driver and passenger, 350 cc air compressor, Eberspächer Airtronic D2 auxiliary air heater, seat upholstery: comfort grade, external sun visor, additional high-beam/fog lamps with cornering light Further equipment: Axle configuration: 4x2, traction control system (ASR), wide-angle exterior mirror, left, wide-angle exterior mirror, right, MAN-Tronic on-board computer, front compressed air connection, electronic brake system MAN-Brakematic, EURO 6 engine, cab: C (Compact), suspension: leaf/leaf springs, tinted windscreen, body/chassis: chassis, heated fuel filter, raised air intake, dry air filter behind cab, engine 6.9 L - 213 kW diesel, 24V radio pre-installation, side-mounted spare wheel carrier, rear axle disc brakes, front axle disc brakes, stabilizer on one rear axle, front axle stabilizer, cab tilting control, tinted door windows, rear underride guard, front underride guard, viscous fan, gross vehicle weight rating 15.00 t * Man Tgm 15.290 4x2 * Refrigerated box body * Double chamber * Carrier refrigeration unit * Diesel and electric operation * Automatic transmission Kdjdpfx Aaey Uqt Dehjp * Automatic climate control * Cruise control * Fixed trailer coupling * Air suspension front and rear * VIN: WMAN26ZZ8EY301816 * TÜV valid until 12/2025 * Ready for immediate use * All details without obligation

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, power: 176.52 kW (240.00 HP), fuel type: diesel, Year of construction: 1996, FIRE ENGINE (CREW VEHICLE) MLF MAN 10.224: Year of manufacture: 1996 Crew: 9 Water tank: 1,200 litres Foam tank: 120 litres Pump: 1,600L/min at 8 Bar Turbo foam proportioner ZR 400 Extinguishing water tank with 1,200 litres and 120 litres of foam Rapid intervention hose reel Three equipment compartments on each side of the vehicle. Ksdpfjw U Dffox Aahsdp All information provided to the best of our knowledge and belief, without guarantee of completeness or accuracy. This advertisement is for informational purposes only and does not constitute an offer. Subject to prior sale!

Condition: used, mileage: 59,000 km, power: 176.52 kW (240.00 HP), first registration: 02/1996, fuel: diesel, color: red, Year of construction: 1996, Equipment: parking heater, MAN HLF "CITY" - Year of manufacture: 1996 - Weight: 7.49 t (upon request) - Crew: 9 - Water tank: 1,200 liters - Foam tank: 120 liters - Dimensions: 6.70 m × 2.32 m × 2.98 m - Engine power: 240 hp - Fuel: Diesel - Displacement: 6,871 cm³ The vehicle is equipped with a built-in fire pump. The rapid intervention hose is located in the rear right compartment. - SCBA holders in the cab - Front flashers - Rear warning system - Pump: FP 16/8 - Auxiliary heater - Foam proportioner in the equipment compartment - Inspection according to SP - New TÜV certificate Kdjdpstpnt Nsfx Aahsp - Servicing: new We are happy to discuss additional equipment options for your vehicle. Our specialists are available to carry out custom modifications to meet your requirements. Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. We can also provide you with further information and detailed photographs on request. We are pleased to offer you a pick-up service should you wish to arrive by Deutsche Bahn or by plane. Additionally, we can arrange accommodation at a hotel or guesthouse nearby if needed. All information provided to the best of our knowledge, without guarantee for completeness or accuracy. This advertisement does not constitute an offer, but is for informational purposes only. Subject to prior sale!

Condition: good (used), Manufacturer Thurm type B 20 R 100 L 4-2 HL H STR Engine number 12618430011409 power 3,7 / 4,4 kW speed 1.425 / 2.890 rpm Shaft length Kedpfemw Uncjx Aahsdp Shaft diameter Weight 48 kg Dimensions Motor of milling machine Deckel FP3A CNC machine number 2206 - 0443

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2001, functionality: fully functional, clamping force: 1,078 kN, screw diameter: 45 mm, injection weight: 318 g, plate length: 730 mm, plate width: 600 mm, No minimum price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! TECHNICAL DETAILS Injection weight: 318 g Screw diameter: 45 mm Clamping force: 110 t Ksdpfx Aoy Ev Unjahodp MACHINE DETAILS Platen size: 730 mm x 600 mm EQUIPMENT Enlarged mounting platen Note: When purchasing multiple items from the same location (see offers below), the most favorable costs for dismantling and loading will be granted to you.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1999, functionality: fully functional, clamping force: 1,716 kN, screw diameter: 55 mm, injection weight: 459 g, plate length: 820 mm, plate width: 750 mm, No minimum price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! TECHNICAL DETAILS Clamping force: 175 tons Screw diameter: 55 mm Injection weight: 459 g Shot volume: 510 cm³ MACHINE DETAILS Kdodpfxjy Ev S Te Aahep Control system: CC100 Enlarged platen: 820 mm x 750 mm Note: If purchasing multiple items from the same location (see offers below), you will benefit from reduced costs for dismantling and loading.

Year of construction: 2022, condition: like new (used), functionality: fully functional, 5HL beer brewhouse + fermentation tanks + chiller Complete 5HL brewery set with brewhouse, 4 fermentation tanks, control cabinet and chiller. Ideal for a small brewery or brewpub to brew 500 liters of beer per batch. This set has everything you need to set up your brewery. Unfortunately we had to close down our brewpub and therefor are selling this new set. The selling price is excluding transport, installation and instructions, but we can help with this at an affordable price. This set contains: 500 liter (+25% headspace) mash/kettle tun with direct heating Baltur gas burner BTG-6 50-60HZ 500 liters (+25% headspace) stacked lauter tun and whirlpool tun Smoke exhaust pipes (double wall) Non-slip work platform Sanitary centrifugal pump Sanitary piping Valves and fittings Kdjdpfx Asvxufgeahjp Manual wort cooling station 10L glass wort grant Single stage 12m2 heat exchanger Pipe filter Wort aeration station 4x: 500L fermentation unitank (working volume 500L / total volume 700L) Chiller Quantor Chilly 35 LT Manufold Brewery instrumental control cabinet Spare parts

Condition: reconditioned (used), functionality: fully functional, Veneering press line for wood, consisting of the following machines: - OSAMA S2R glue spreader - 1300 mm - NEW MACHINE - Loader from glue spreader onto conveyor - Infeed conveyor, length 6000 mm x width 950 mm, motorized - ORMA hydraulic flat press 5100x1400 mm – 12 cylinders, hot water heating plates, refurbished - Outfeed conveyor, length 6000 mm x width 950 mm, motorized This press requires medium to high pressure to ensure the panels are 100% flat. Panel size: 5100 x 1400 mm (solid drilled steel plates) Daylight opening: 180 mm Full surface pressure: up to 10 kg/cm² Number of hydraulic cylinders: 12 units – cylinder diameter 140 mm Kdodpfx Aevva Syoahop MYLAR Teflon film on the plates Preparation for hot water plate heating – boiler not included Machine dimensions: 2300 x 5100 mm x height 2500 mm The machine is fully refurbished, calibrated, and tested. Price: €55,000 excl. VAT, without OSAMA glue spreader Price: €62,000 excl. VAT, including OSAMA glue spreader

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2017, In this offer you buy used office furniture, which is in good condition. They were delivered in 2017 and are generally in very good condition, since little used. Items for sale: We also offer workplace sets for 450€. 1x desk - Manufacturer: FM - 160 x 80 x 76 (stepless height adjustable 68cm to 76cm) - gray top - aluminum frame 1x office chair "Dauphin MagicShape elan - armrests - completely adjustable - cover polo grey/black 1x mobile pedestal - Manufacturer: FM - 43,4 x 80 x 59 - one material drawer - 3 steel drawers with softclose - lockable incl. key Desks: - Approx. 10x desk from the manufacturer FM 1600 x 800 x 680 to 760 (infinitely height adjustable) in the color light gray. Frame made of aluminum - Approx. 12x folding table (can be used as a desk) 1600 x 800 x 720 on castors, in the color light gray. Aluminium frame - Approx. 2x round meeting table 1000mm diameter in the color light gray. Aluminium frame - Approx. 4x high table 1600 x 800 x 1300 in the color arctic white. Frame in white aluminum Kedpfx Aasiiv Ikshodp Chairs: - Approx. 10x Dauphin swivel chair MagicShapeS elan with armrests and fully adjustable. Fabric cover Polo black, base plastic black - Approx. 44x Interstuhl Hero 550H cantilever chair with armrests. Upholstery in ruby red color. Metal frame chrome-plated. - Approx. 52x Interstuhl Hero 550H cantilever chair with armrests. Upholstery in the color ocean blue. Metal frame chrome-plated. - Approx. 10x Interstuhl Kinecticis5 710K bar stool with footrest. Upholstery in the color black. Frame in silver color. - Approx. 16x Interstuhl Kinecticis5 710K bar stool with footrest. Upholstery in the color ocean blue. Frame in silver color - 12x Interstuhl Kinecticis5 710K bar stool with footrest. Upholstery in the color red. Frame in the color silver - 16x Interstuhl Kinecticis5 710K bar stool with footrest. Upholstery in the color ruby red. Frame in the color silver Storage space: - Approx. 16x FM 434 x 800 x 590 mobile pedestal with one material drawer and 3 steel drawers. Body completely in the color light gray. Handles made of aluminum meeting table with 4 conference chairs - 750,-€ net high table with 6 bar stools - 1500,-€ net Prices may vary slightly depending on the quantity purchased. We will be happy to prepare a suitable offer for you. You can also purchase each piece of furniture separately. Condition: This offer is used furniture, which may show signs of use (minor scratches or yellowing). Packing and shipping: You are welcome to look at everything during our business hours. Please make an appointment for this! Seaworthy packing and worldwide shipping is possible on request! For more information you can of course also contact us personally.

Condition: used, Size max 720 x 1.020 mm Lifting height max 1.040 mm Lifting capacity 1.000 kg Kdodpfx Aaecptgashsp Weight 490 kg (approx.)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2013, For inquiries about the attachment, Mr. Herden will be happy to assist you by phone. Indexator RT40 / Rototilt R4 / MS10 Sandwich / Year of manufacture: 2013 / In stock & immediately available Price: €10,890.00 net / €12,959.10 gross - Weight (kg): 455 We have a very large selection of various attachments in stock and immediately available! Mr. Herden will be happy to assist you by phone. On request, we are also happy to provide you with a financing offer. We are an official sales and service partner for Westtech. We are an official sales and service partner for Gierking GMT. Kdsdpoyxaf Defx Aahsp We are an official sales and service partner for OilQuick. We are an official sales and service partner for Weber MT. We are an official sales and service partner for Holp. We are an official sales and service partner for DMS. We are an official sales and service partner for Seppi M. We are an official sales and service partner for Magni telehandlers. We are an official sales and service partner for JCB construction machinery. We are an official sales and service partner for Mercedes-Benz. We are an official sales and service partner for Iveco. Additionally, with 800 used vehicles, we are one of the largest commercial vehicle dealers in Germany. Subject to prior sale and errors! Internal No.: 232306 = More information = Application: Construction Unladen weight: 455 kg Please contact Marius Herden for more information.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2023, operating hours: 448 h, machine/vehicle number: H2300010, power: 4 kW (5.44 HP), pressure (min.): 10 bar, used piston compressor available immediately: ALMIG HLA-15-10 (10 bar) The compressor has 43 operating hour and is available immediately. 3 cylinders Pressure: 10 bar Kdjdpfx Aajx Uwtdehsp Rated power: 11.0 kW Delivery quantity at 7 bar: 1220 l / min Compressed air outlet: 3/4 " Dimensions length x width x height: 1450 x 710 x 830 mm Visit our store. We always have a large selection of new and used compressors in stock! Immediately available.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2023, operating hours: 43 h, machine/vehicle number: H2300010, power: 4 kW (5.44 HP), pressure (min.): 10 bar, used piston compressor available immediately: Ksdexc Hzkepfx Aahodp ALMIG HLA-06-150 (10 bar) with 150 liter compressed air tank The compressor has 43 operating hour and is available immediately. 3 cylinders Pressure: 10 bar Rated power: 4.0 kW Delivery quantity at 7 bar: 450 l / min Compressed air outlet: 1/2 " Dimensions length x width x height: 1357 x 507 x 1070 mm Weight: 169 kg Visit our store. We always have a large selection of new and used compressors in stock! Immediately available.

Condition: used, first registration: 01/2013, Year of construction: 2013, Kennis 16-R/7.10 loading crane ? Year of manufacture 2013 ? Radio control prepared----Technical data Manufacturer: Kennis * Model: 16-R/7.10 * Year of manufacture: 2013 * Max. hydraulic pressure: 285 bar * Reach / lifting capacity as per diagram: * 3.50 m – 4,500 kg * 4.70 m – 3,350 kg * 5.90 m – 2,550 kg * 7.10 m – 2,100 kg * Slewing range: approx. 400° * Stabiliser width: 5,400 mm ----Condition used, fully functional * visually shows rust and signs of use * hydraulics present * see pictures for details ----Scope of delivery: crane as pictured Kjdpfeyn Tvmjx Aahsdp * sold without any warranty or guarantee For further information, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Condition: used, mileage: 11,02,722 km, power: 346 kW (470.43 HP), first registration: 10/2019, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 11,675 kg, overall weight: 26,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, wheelbase: 4,200 mm, next inspection (TÜV): 03/2025, brakes: retarder, color: white, driver cabin: other, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro6, suspension: air, number of seats: 2, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, differential lock, hydraulics, trailer coupling, Manufacturer: MAN - Type/Model: TGS 26.480 6x2 Jansky Stainless Steel Tank - Year of Manufacture: 2013 - First Registration: 25.10.2019 - Mileage: 1,102,722 km - Number of Axles: 3 - Emissions Standard: Euro 6 - Cab: M - Transmission: Automatic - Permanent Brake: Retarder - Suspension: Air - Lift Axle - Rims: Stainless Steel - Brakes: Disc - Wheelbase: 4,200 mm - Air Conditioning - Length: 9,170 mm - Width: 2,550 mm - Height: 3,310 mm - Unladen Weight: 11,675 kg - Next Inspection: 03/2025 - Body Manufacturer: Jansky - Tank Material: Stainless Steel - Total Tank Volume: 16,300 L - Tank Compartments: 3 - System Designation: Jansky Optimate Suction and Measuring System - Stainless Steel Centrifugal Pump - DICO 700 - Mitex III Sampler - Data Transmission - CIP Cleaning Kodpfx Aev Np Iwoahsdp

Condition: new, *AVAILABLE IMMEDIATELY* Technical Data: • Brand: Brian James • Model: Race Transporter 7 • Vehicle type: Car transporter • Vehicle condition: New vehicle • First registration: None yet • Roadworthiness/Inspection (TÜV): 2 years from first registration • Internal dimensions (LxWxH): 600 x 235 x 199 cm • External dimensions (LxWxH): 770 x 255 x 264 cm • Loading floor height: 58 cm • Perm. gross weight: 3,500 kg • Payload: 2,069 kg • Chassis: High loader (wheels positioned underneath the structure) • Tyres: 195/55R10C • Suspension: ALKO rubber torsion axle • Jockey wheel: Yes • 100 km/h approval: Optional, can be retrofitted DESCRIPTION • Body made from high-quality, glass fibre-reinforced plastic; lightweight yet extremely robust • Full-length daylight roof for optimal lighting inside • Manoeuvring handles front and rear • Dual front side locker doors for easy lashing of the front wheels • Dual rear side locker doors for easy lashing of the rear wheels • Large double wing side doors on left and right (direction of travel), lockable • Full-height and full-width electric rear ramp door • 2x foldable aluminium auxiliary ramps, 1.5 m, suitable for ultra-low vehicles • Rollers at the rear of the trailer • Internal height: 199 cm; rear entry height: 188 cm • Perforated lashing floor provides high slip resistance and is extremely wear-resistant, even under tough operating conditions • Numerous lashing points and a highly durable floor offer flexible securing options and excellent grip • Fully adjustable wheel stops with quick-release system, suitable for lowered vehicles • Closed composite floor panel with honeycomb-structured plastic core and surface layers on both sides: extremely light and rugged • 2x centrally recessed floor storage boxes, flush-mounted in the loading floor, ideal for storing heavy or bulky items; aluminium lids included • Electric winch, 12V with radio remote control, synthetic rope, and carabiner • Electro-hydraulic tilting of the loading platform, tiltable at the push of a button for an optimal loading angle • Central control unit for tilting function and rear ramp, in addition to remote control; includes board battery charge status display • Very sturdy welded steel frame • Frame fully hot-dip galvanized by immersion • Spare wheel with bracket mounted • Reinforced V-drawbar, extremely robust • ALKO overrun brake and parking brake • Automatic reverse function • Steel cast coupling head with integrated ALKO high-security lock • Plastic mudguards • 13-pin plug • LED interior lighting with LED strip • Reverse light • Large fully LED safety lighting • Side LED reverse lights • LED work lights at the rear for improved visibility when loading and unloading • Integrated rear fog light • Various marker lights—front, side, and rear • Anthracite aluminium alloy wheels • Heavy duty jockey wheel • 5-year chassis warranty • 4 wheel securing straps for lashing over wheels Optional accessories available – please enquire! New vehicle with warranty and roadworthiness certificate. We would be happy to offer you suitable financing! - Financing or leasing available Kodpfx Ajydiibsahsdp - Nationwide delivery possible - All prices include VAT - Vehicle registration document pre-shipping possible or temporary number plates (Germany) can be provided - Export plates including customs declaration available - Errors, omissions, and prior sale excepted -

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2010, 200hl Steinecker Krones Brewhouse. Capable of 6 brews per day. Location: UK Available Immediately Including: Kdsdpfx Ajxb Uz Ajahep • Steinecker Mill • Steinecker Cereal Cooker • Steinecker Mash Vessel • Steinecker Lauter Tun • Steinecker Holding Vessel • Steinecker Lauter Worth Heater • Steinecker Copper • Steinecker Whirlpool • Steinecker Wort Cooler • HLT & CLT • Hop Pellets Station • Vapour Condenser • Condensate Cooler • Spent Grain System Contact Indassol UK for Pricing and more details. We are at Drinktec - Please reply to set up a meeting to discuss further.