Used Tornos Multi Alpha 6X32 for sale (5,198)

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 19 - Number of spindles : 6 - Number of counter-spindles : 1 SPINDLES - Max. bar diameter : 32 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 6000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 13.6 [kW] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Spindle speeds : 8000 [rpm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 380 [V] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 10100x1800 [mm] - Machine height : 2600 [mm] - Machine weight : 12000 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Number of hours under power : 81250 [h] Cjdpfx Acowuu Rtsgegw - Number of working hours : 31982 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 30I - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip - Chips conveyor - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump * with paper filtering unit - Cooling unit - Bar loader : Tornos MSF-832/6

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2018, Tornos Multiswiss 6x32 Csdpfx Acswf I Rzogegw Year of manufacture: 2018 Operating hours: 14,100 hours Including various accessories

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2008, Motor spindle turning machine: Tornos Type/Model: MultiAlpha 8x20 Condition: used Year of manufacture: 2008 Machine hours: 45017 h Technical data Capacities & travels Cjdpfx Aozgwp Hscgogw Bar diameter (round material): up to max. 22 mm (with turned bars up to max. 25 mm) Workpiece length: max. 100 mm Longitudinal travel (Z-axis): 80 mm Cross slide travel (X-axis): 50 mm End units (longitudinal slide): 200 mm Spindle & axes Main spindle: 8 independently driven motor spindles Counter spindles: one counter spindle, with max. 5 machining tools and max. 3 driven machining operations possible Total axes: 34 axes Tool slide: 7 cross slides X/Y (position 1 - 7); 1 facing slide X (position 8); 7 longitudinal slides (position 1-7) Drive power & speeds Speed of main spindles: 0 - 8,000 rpm Power of main spindle motor: 11.2 kW Torque of main spindle: 17 Nm (optional up to 25 Nm) Speed of counter spindle: max. 8,000 rpm Power of counter spindle motor: 3.7 kW Torque of counter spindle: 8.3 Nm Equipment / accessories: Fanuc 30i control system 4x Motoquill 8x Fixed drilling spindle with Modular 40 mount Base holder Göltenbodt (fixed to axes) Knoll system with turbo filter system Manipulator for part handling max. bar diameter Ø 20 mm max. part length 100 mm 1 x Y-axis installable

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 23 - Number of spindles : 8 - Number of counter-spindles : 1 - Max. part length : 100 [mm] SPINDLES - Max. bar diameter : 22 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 8000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 11.2 [kW] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Y stroke : 280 [mm] - Z stroke : 450 [mm] NUMERICAL AXES - 1 cross slide, position 1: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] Cedpfx Ajzhph Dscgogw - 1 cross slide, position 2: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 3: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 4: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 5: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 6: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 7: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cutting carriage 8: x=65 [mm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 80 [kVA] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 5.300 x 2.200 [mm] - Machine height : 2.600 [mm] - Machine weight : 12.000 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Number of hours under power : 75000 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 30i-TB - Hirth teeth - 1 counter-spindle in position 7 - Counter-spindle with counter-operation device - 2 x 4 counter-operation tools - 8 spindles with independent spindle speeds - C-axis on all 8 spindles and the counter-spindle : 0.001 [°] - Chips conveyor : MAYFRAN - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump : 35 + 80 [bars] * with cooling unit for coolant - Bar loader : ROBOBAR MSF-522/8 - Oil mist extractor

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 23 - Number of spindles : 8 - Number of counter-spindles : 1 - Max. part length : 100 [mm] SPINDLES - Max. bar diameter : 22 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 8000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 11.2 [kW] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Y stroke : 280 [mm] - Z stroke : 450 [mm] NUMERICAL AXES - 1 cross slide, position 1: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 2: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 3: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 4: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 5: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 6: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 7: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cutting carriage 8: x=65 [mm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 80 [kVA] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 5.300 x 2.200 [mm] - Machine height : 2.600 [mm] - Machine weight : 12.000 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Number of hours under power : 73500 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 30i-TB - Hirth teeth Csdjzhphwspfx Acgjgw - 1 counter-spindle in position 7 - Counter-spindle with counter-operation device - 2 x 4 counter-operation tools - 8 spindles with independent spindle speeds - C-axis on all 8 spindles and the counter-spindle : 0.001 [°] - Chips conveyor : MAYFRAN - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump : 35 + 80 [bars] * with cooling unit for coolant - Bar loader : ROBOBAR MSF-522/8 - Oil mist extractor

Condition: used, Tornos CNC-controlled multi-spindle turning center Type/Model: Torno Multi Deco 20.8 Condition: Used, very well maintained Cedpfxszgw Aas Acgsgw Machine hours: approx. 65,724 h Technical data: Bar diameter: 5-20 mm Max. part length (without secondary operation): 100 mm Max. part length (with secondary operation): 80 mm Spindle rotational speed: up to 5,000 rpm Max. spindle power: 15 kW Max. drilling/internal threading power: 3.7 kW Number of numerical axes: 22 Facing slide (axial): 2 Cross slide (radial + axial): 5 Longitudinal slide: 7 Parting slide: 1 Counter spindle motor power: 1.1 kW Dimensions (L x W x H): approx. 5,880 x 1,400 x 1,950 mm Weight: approx. 7,200 kg

Condition: used, Tornos CNC-controlled multi-spindle automatic lathe Type/Model: Tornos MultiDeco 20.6 Condition: used Operating hours: 45,300 h Bar stock: Ø 5-22 mm Max. part length without secondary operation: 100 mm Max. part length with secondary operation: 80 mm Spindle rotation speed up to: 4000 rpm Max. spindle power: 15 kW Max. drilling/internal threading power: 3.7 kW Counter-spindle motor power: 1.1 kW Number of numerical axes: 17 Axial slide: 5 Cross slide: (radial and axial) 5 (Pos. 1 to 5) Facing slide: 1 CNC-controlled secondary operation slide with up to two secondary operation tools (Pos. 7) Connection value: 35 kW Dimensions (L x W x H): approx. 8053 mm x 1508 mm x 2210 mm Weight: approx. 8500 kg Equipment/Accessories: - Control system: Tornos PNC Deko - HIRTH - Gear cutting drum locking system - Spindle stop at Pos. 4 (activated via installation curves) - 2 quick-change drilling spindles XC06020.01; GWS Modular 40004; up to 80 bar Cgodpfozgwtxox Acgow - 3 fixed drilling units GWS Modular 40004; up to 80 bar - 7 base plates for tool holders GWS 60 AD60032 (Göltenbodt) - 7 base holders for turning tools GWS 60/41 (Göltenbodt) - Bar feeder integrated: TORNOS MSF 522/6 - Material guide channel for bar feeder - CO2 extinguishing system Kraft und Bauer - Oil treatment system Knoll: VRF 500/1550 - 2 high-pressure pumps, each 40 L/40 bar - 1 pump, 20 L/35 bar - Oil capacity approx. 2000 liters - Chip conveyor Knoll - No discharge chute

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1999, Multi-spindle automatic lathe TORNOS MultiDeco 26/6, No. T-61796, year of manufacture 1999, FANUC control, chip conveyor, bar loader IEMCA Sir 32F, No. 98072003, year of manufacture 1998 Codpfx Asunvwlscgegw

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 18 - Number of spindles : 6 - Max. part length : 120 [mm] SPINDLES - Max. bar diameter : 8 - 25.4 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 6000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 18 [kW] NUMERICAL AXES - 1 cross slide, position 1: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 2: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 3: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 4: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 5: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cutting carriage 6: x=65 [mm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 71 [kVA] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 3.500 x 1.600 [mm] - Machine height : 1.950 [mm] Cgodjzhphqopfx Acgjw - Machine weight : 8500 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Number of hours under power : 72000 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 16i-TB - Hirth teeth - Counter spindle with counter-operation device - Goltenbolt turning tool holders in all positions - 5 fixed drills - 1 cutting tool holder - Chips conveyor - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump * with cooling unit for coolant - Bar loader : ROBOBAR MSF-522/6 - Oil mist extractor

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 18 - Number of spindles : 6 - Max. part length : 120 [mm] SPINDLES - Max. bar diameter : 8 - 25.4 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 6000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 18 [kW] NUMERICAL AXES - 1 cross slide, position 1: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 2: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 3: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 4: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cross slide, position 5: x=50 [mm], Z1=80 [mm] - 1 cutting carriage 6: x=65 [mm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 71 [kVA] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 3.500 x 1.600 [mm] - Machine height : 1.950 [mm] - Machine weight : 8500 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Number of hours under power : 65000 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc 16i-TB - Hirth teeth Cjdpfx Acszhphkogsgw - Counter spindle with counter-operation device - Goltenbolt turning tool holders in all positions - 5 fixed drills - 1 cutting tool holder - Chips conveyor - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump * with cooling unit for coolant - Bar loader : ROBOBAR MSF-522/6 - Oil mist extractor

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 23 - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 3500 [rpm] - Spindle power : 15 / 18.5 [kW] COUNTER-SPINDLE Csdpowuu R Hefx Acgsgw - Counter-spindle position : 8 - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Travel : 160 [mm] - Max. part length : 75 [mm] - SLIDES - Number of transversal slides : 3 * Position : 1 / 8 / 9 * Stroke x, position 1 : 50 [mm] * Stroke X, position 8/9 : 65 [mm] - Number of crossed slides : 6 * Position : 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 * Stroke X x Z1 : 50 x 80 [mm] - Number of longitudinal slides : 1 * Position : 8 * Stroke Z2 : 160 [mm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 80 [kVA] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 9600 x 2500 [mm] - Machine height : 2200 [mm] EQUIPMENT - CNC : FANUC PNC DECO - Counter-spindle with brake - Retractable stop Spindle stop - Chips conveyor - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump * with paper filtering unit - Cooling unit - Bar loader : IEMCA PRA 52F / 33

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 23 - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 3500 [rpm] - Spindle power : 15 / 18.5 [kW] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Counter-spindle position : 8 - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Travel : 160 [mm] - Max. part length : 75 [mm] - SLIDES - Number of transversal slides : 3 * Position : 1 / 8 / 9 * Stroke x, position 1 : 50 [mm] * Stroke X, position 8/9 : 65 [mm] - Number of crossed slides : 6 * Position : 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 * Stroke X x Z1 : 50 x 80 [mm] - Number of longitudinal slides : 1 * Position : 8 * Stroke Z2 : 160 [mm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 80 [kVA] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 9600 x 2500 [mm] - Machine height : 2200 [mm] EQUIPMENT - CNC : FANUC PNC DECO - Counter-spindle with brake - Retractable stop Spindle stop - Chips conveyor Cgedpfxewuu Rys Acgjw - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump * with paper filtering unit - Bar loader : IEMCA PRA 52F / 33

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 18 - Number of spindles : 6 - Max. bar diameter : 32 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 400-5000 [rpm] COUNTER-SPINDLE WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 8300 x 2300 [mm] - Machine height : 2240 [mm] - Machine weight : 11500 [kg] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Fanuc PNC Deco - Chips conveyor : Mayfran - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump Codpowuu Rmjfx Acgjgw - Bar loader : TORNOS MSF 832/6

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS Cgodpfxjwuu Rge Acgsw - Number of axes : 17 - Max. bar diameter : 25.4 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 5000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 18 [kW] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 3500 X 1600 [mm] - Machine height : 1950 [mm] - Machine weight : 8500 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Number of hours under power : 33026 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : TORNOS TB DECO - Chips conveyor - Coolant tank : KNOLL * with high-pressure pump * with paper filtering unit - Cooling unit - Bar loader : TORNOS Robobar MSF 522

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 17 - Max. bar diameter : 25.4 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 5000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 18 [kW] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 3500 X 1600 [mm] - Machine height : 1950 [mm] - Machine weight : 8500 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Number of hours under power : 62132 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : TORNOS TB DECO - Chips conveyor : MAYFRAN P51-02 M313001 - Coolant tank * with high-pressure pump : MAYFRAN 80 [bars] - Cooling unit - Bar loader : TORNOS Robobar MSF 522 - Oil mist extractor : ELBARON - Fire extinguisher * : BAUER KRAFT Cjdpowuu N Nofx Acgegw

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 23 - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 3500 [rpm] - Spindle power : 15 / 18.5 [kW] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Counter-spindle position : 8 - Max. bar diameter : 20 [mm] - Travel : 160 [mm] Cjdsyt Sl Ropfx Acgegw - Max. part length : 75 [mm] - SLIDES - Number of transversal slides : 3 * Position : 1 / 8 / 9 * Stroke x, position 1 : 50 [mm] * Stroke X, position 8/9 : 65 [mm] - Number of crossed slides : 6 * Position : 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 * Stroke X x Z1 : 50 x 80 [mm] - Number of longitudinal slides : 1 * Position : 8 * Stroke Z2 : 160 [mm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 80 [kVA] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 9600 x 2500 [mm] - Machine height : 2200 [mm] EQUIPMENT - CNC : FANUC PNC DECO - Chips conveyor - Coolant tank - Bar loader : Tornos

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Min/max bar diameter : 8-25.4 [mm] - Max. part length : 120 [mm] - Spindle rotation speed : 5000 [Rpm] - Spindle power : 18 [kW] - Number of numerical axes : 17 - Drum lock through Hirth denture - Dimensions : 3500 x 1600 x 1950 [mm] - Weight : 8500 [kg] - Number of working hours : 66.850 [h] Cedpfjuharxex Acgogw EQUIPMENT - CNC : TORNOS FANUC PNC DECO - Lubrication tank: KNOLL * with high pressure pump - Bar loader : TORNOS ROBOBAR MSF-522 - Chip conveyor - Cooling unit: HYFRA

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Minimum/maximum bar diameter : 8-25.4 [mm] - Maximum workpiece length : 120 [mm] Csdjuharfepfx Acgegw - Spindle speed : 5,000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 18 [kW] - Number of digital axes : 17 - Barrel locking with Hirth teeth - Dimensions : 3500 x 1600 x 1950 [mm] - Weight : 8,500 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Powered hours : 63,341 [h] EQUIPMENT - TORNOS TB DECO CNC - Spindle stop - Counterspindle with counter-operation device - Single end milling machine - Polygon milling machine - Central block drilling machine - Pick-up machine - Turning tool holders - Bar feeder: IEMCA SIR 25 P - KNOLL lubrication tank - Chip conveyor - Cutting oil air conditioning

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - bar clearance : 5-20 [mm] - maxi part length (without counter operation) : 100 [mm] - maxi part length (with counter operation) : 80 [mm] - spindle rotation speed : 5 000 [rpm] - spindles maxi power : 15 [kW] - drilling/tapping maxi power : 3.7 [kW] - number of numerical axes : 23 - number of cross slides : 8 - counter operation slide : 1 - end units : 7 - number of sub-spindle : 1 - sub-spindle motor power : 1.1 [kW] Cgsdpfeuhaq Uox Acgew - dimensions : 5880 x 1400 x 1950 [mm] - weight : 7 200 [kg] EQUIPMENT - TORNOS PNC DECO control - HIRTH teeth drum locking - high pressure pump - chips conveyor - turning tools-holders - IEMCA PRA 40/33F bar feeder - number of hours 31600

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - number of axes : 18 - number of spindles : 6 - max round bar diameter : 32 [mm] - max clearance in hexagonal bar : 28 [mm] - spindle speed : 400 - 5 000 [rpm] - capacity of the sub-spindle : 32 [mm] - number of the cross slides : 5 - strokes of the cross slides in position 2 and 3, X x Z : 60 x 80 [mm] - strokes of the cross slides in position 1, 4 and 5 , X x Z : 60 x 100 [mm] - size : 8 300 x 2 300 x 2 240 [mm] - weight : 11 500 [kg] Csdpsuhaquefx Acgegw - number of working hours : 52066 [h] EQUIPMENT - numerical control TORNOS PNC DECO - spindle stop pos 4 - numerical sub-spindle with counter operation device - parts catcher with conveying strip - 5 turning tool-holders GOLTENBODT with collar - 1 cutting-off tool-holder GOLTENBODT - 4 fixed drillers - 1 driven driller - chips conveyor - high pressure pump - integrated bar feeder TORNOS MSF 832/6 - lamp

Condition: used, Cnc multispindle lathe TORNOS MULTIDECO 26/6 Csdpfouhaqhox Acgegw

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2018, operating hours: 16,187 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 14396, spindle motor power: 11,000 W, spindle speed (min.): 8,000 rpm, spindle bore: 26 mm, overall weight: 7,000 kg, feed length X-axis: 170 mm, feed length Y-axis: 55 mm, feed length Z-axis: 150 mm, feed rate X-axis: 55 m/min, feed rate Y-axis: 16 m/min, feed rate Z-axis: 75 m/min, bar diameter (max.): 28 mm, bar length: 3,000 mm, number of spindles: 8, Equipment: documentation/manual, MULTISWISS 8 x 26mm TURNING CENTERS. Year 2018, with 16,000 operating hours. Machine in perfect working condition. 8 independent spindles controlled by a CNC SIEMENS system. 3 spindles with Y-axis movement. Bar feeder for 3m bar length, up to 26mm diameter, with a magazine for 34 bars (26mm). CO2 extinguishing system manufactured by KRAFT&BAUER. Mist extraction system. Cedjy Txy Aepfx Acgsgw

Condition: used, TORNOS MULTIDECO 20/6b is a CNC Multi-spindle turning lathe engineered for high-precision machining with excellent accuracy and reliability. Key capacities: 17 axes total, 6 cross slides, 5 plain turning slides, longitudinal carriage way 160 mm, 6 spindles + 1 back spindle, round bar capacity Ø 5–20 mm, max workpiece length 100 mm, production rate 45 pcs/min. Technical specs: stepless spindle speeds up to 5000 rpm, spindle power 15 kW, total installed power 43 kVA, supply 3x 400 V 50 Hz, machine weight ≈8500 kg, dimensions L3500×W1600×H1950 mm. Equipment: ROBOBAR bar feeder type MSF 522/6, coolant system, chip conveyor, pick-up spindle, spindle stop device, lamp and status light. Delivers tight tolerances; suitable for automotive, watchmaking, toolmaking, aerospace and medical industries. Cgjdpfx Aceyxny Aegsw

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2022, operating hours: 3,800 h, functionality: fully functional, Year 2022 - 3800 hours MultiSwiss 8x26, 6 Y-axes 8 motor spindles, 11 kW – 8000 rpm max Spindle capacity 26 mm, Z stroke 75 mm (max. workpiece 65 mm) 2 X-slide units in positions 1-8, stroke 80 mm 6 X-Y slide units in positions 2-3-4-5-6-7, X stroke 55 mm, Y +/-16.5 mm Counter spindle 11 kW – 8000 rpm max Z stroke 150 mm, X 170 mm HP ejector adaptation for counter spindle (requires 3010 or 3020) Fanuc 30iB CNC control Integrated PC with Windows 10 operating system 21.5" color touchscreen Cgsdpfsxrfunex Acgew Independent C axis on each spindle in main and counter operations (requires 0060 or 0065 or 0070 or 0075)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2019, Article: CNC-controlled multi-spindle automatic lathe Manufacturer: Tornos Type: MultiSwiss 8x26 Yob: 2019 full cross slide configuration, counter spindle, Cgjdpoldk R Hjfx Acgsw part-pre-drawing device, 2 x driven tools, 1 rigid backworking, 1 x driven backworking, 2x 80 bar high pressure pumps optional: setting robot make HandlingTech. The scope of delivery regarding the tooling equipment could be different like pictures. Please, contact us for getting more informations and pictures on or *