Used Amada Hfb 125-3000 for sale (8,882)

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1998, operating hours: 78,026 h, pressing force: 102 t, overall weight: 6,750 kg, number of axes: 6, This 8-axis AMADA HFBO 100-30 press brake was manufactured in 1998. It features a maximum press force of 1000 kN and a bending length of 3100 mm, providing robust capabilities for various applications. The machine has undergone software upgrades and cylinder replacements in 2024. If you are looking to get high-quality bending capabilities, consider the AMADA HFBO 100-30 press brake we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Distance between frames: 2700 mm • Maximum stroke: 200 mm Ledjzl Dvqepfx Alysah • Number of axes: 8 (Y1, Y2, X1, X2, R1, R2, Z1, Z2) • Voltage: 400/415 V • Frequency: 50 Hz • Nominal current: 199 A • Number of phases: 3 • Installed power: 9 kW • Noise level:

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2011, MODEL AMADA TOGU EU PRESCISION TOOL GRINDING MACHINE WHEEL CBN 150 MAX TOOL DIAMETER 160 MAX GRINDING DEPTH ,ONE CYCLE, 0.99 SPINDLE MOTOR 1.5KW SPINDLE MOTOR SPEED 3000 RPM VERTICAL TRAVERSE 200 Laedpfx Alezx Sixoysh MACHINE WEIGT 470 KGS PWOER CONSUMPTION 4.8 KVA

Condition: used, functionality: unexamined, control type: NC control, actuation type: electric, Spare parts for early-model press brakes that were no longer needed during modernization. They are in good condition and can be reused in similar systems. These include CNC controllers, X- and Y-axis servo drivers, R- and Z-axis servo drivers, electric motors and encoders, and various circuit boards. Any individual parts are also available for purchase. Identification via photo and serial number. We can also purchase your faulty or unwanted press brake. Lsdpfex Ed H Aox Alyjah

Condition: used, functionality: unexamined, Servo drives for press brakes. Used condition, removed from operational machines. Untested. Laedpsx Dr Dasfx Alysh Please request further details and photos. We can purchase your faulty press brake.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1998, pressure 100 t chamfer lenght 3100 mm distance between columns 2750 mm Stroke beam 200 mm max. opening beam/table 470 mm C-recess 350 mm traveldistance X1+X2 cnc programmable 600 mm R1 and R2 axis controlled by cnc 150 mm Z1+Z2 axes controlled by cnc 0-2500 mm Quick speed,inspeed 100 mm/sec opening speed 0-10 mm/sec Number of working hours 8500 h length 3600 mm width 1900 mm height 2600 mm weight 6750 kg total power requirement 9 kW dimensions of the machine ca. 4x2x3 m Ljdpfxoyw Tl Uj Alyoah All machines can be viewed under power at all times. Demonstrations of the machines possible at any time.

Condition: used, functionality: unexamined, For press brakes: Used servomotors of various types, encoders, linear scales, servodrivers. Please specify the type and send photos. We will buy your worn press for spare parts. Ledpfx Aex Dr U Eolyoah

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1999, pressure 100 t chamfer lenght 3100 mm distance between columns 2750 mm Stroke beam 180 mm max. opening beam/table 470 mm C-recess 350 mm traveldistance X1+X2 cnc programmable 600 mm Laedpfeyw Tl Iex Alyoh R1 and R2 axis controlled by cnc 120 mm Z1+Z2 axes controlled by cnc 300-2700 mm Quick speed,inspeed 100 mm/sec bendingspeed 0-10 mm/sec opening speed 100 mm/sec Number of working hours 29000 h length 3500 mm width 1950 mm height 2550 mm weight 6700 kg total power requirement 8 kW dimensions of the machine ca. 4x2x2,5 m Control CNC All machines can be viewed under power at all times. Demonstrations of the machines possible at any time.

Condition: excellent (used), Technical Data: Lasdpfxoyzm Nhj Alysh Working length: 3100 mm Distance between uprights: 2560 mm Pressing force: 220 t CNC control: OPERATOR II grafic Controlled axes: Y1/Y2; X1/X2; R1/R2; Z1/Z2 Bending simulation automatic crowning motorized adjustable backgauge Throat depth: 650 mm Stroke: 200 mm Working height: 960 mm Laser safety system: FIESSLER Motor power: 17 kW CE marking Dimensions (LxWxH): approx. 3700 x 2400 x 2900 mm Weight: approx. 15 tons Accessories: 1 set of tooling: 1 upper tool 120 mm 1 lower tool, segmented die: V 50, 35, 22, 16 Condition: Very good condition, complete overhaul in 2026 The seller is not liable for typing or data transmission errors. The machine's appearance, technology, and wear are age-appropriate; used machines are sold without any warranty.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1999, functionality: fully functional, operating hours: 70,104 h, pressing force: 81 t, total length: 3,100 mm, total width: 2,180 mm, total height: 2,540 mm, overall weight: 5,750 kg, working width: 2,550 mm, Equipment: emergency stop, We offer this ready-to-use Amada HFBO 80-25 press brake, year of manufacture 1999. If you have any questions or need further information, please feel free to send us a message or give us a call. The seller accepts no liability for typographical or data transmission errors. The machine's appearance, technical condition, and wear are consistent with its age; used machines are sold without any warranty. Ljdpfey H Eqbex Alyoah

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1995, functionality: fully functional, pressing force: 170 t, working width: 3,100 mm, working range: 3,100 mm, AMADA MULTI AXIS CNC 170 TONS X 3100 HYDRAULIC DOWNSTROKING PRESS BRAKE WITH AMADA OPERATEUR II 8 AXIS CNC CONTROL Description TYPE HYDRAULIC DOWNSTROKING CAPACITY 170 TONS CONTROL AMADA OPERATEUR II NO OF AXIS 8 INCLUDING Z1 AND Z 2 BENDING LENGTH 3100mm OPEN HEIGHT 450 STROKE LENGTH 180 THROAT DEPTH 410 Lajdpfx Aov Iftgelyoh MOTOR SIZE 15 KW FRONT GUARDING ERWIN SICK MACHINE MOUNTED ELECTRONIC GUARDS SIDE FENCING REAR INTERLOCKED WEIGHT 11 TONS

Year of construction: 1998, condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, TECHNICAL DETAILS pressing force: 170 t bending length: max. 3340 mm stroke: 180 mm distance between the uprights: 2700 mm Lasdpfx Asmkhynolysh MACHINE DETAILS weight: 11.000 kg space requirement: 3720 x 2180 x 3170 mm

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2016, laser power: 2,000 W, travel distance X-axis: 3,070 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 100 mm, table load: 920 kg, number of axes: 3, This 3-axis AMADA LCG 3015 AJ fiber laser cutting machine was manufactured in 2016. It features a maximum continuous laser power of 2,000 Watts and an impressive X-axis travel of 3,070 mm. The machine includes an automatic palletizing system and a lightweight HS cutting head with advanced safety measures. If you are looking to get high-quality cutting capabilities, consider the AMADA LCG 3015 AJ machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • CNC control: AMADA AMNC-F with 15" touchscreen, 1 MB memory • Control features: Auto-diagnostic system, laser power feedback control, USB/Ethernet ports, CD drive, LAN interface, cutting data library database, part/sheet counting, logical search function, production time measurement • Max material thickness: • Mild steel (ST 1203): 10 mm • Stainless steel: 10 mm • Aluminum (AlMg3): 8 mm • Copper: 4 mm • Brass: 5 mm • Cutting speed: 0–120 m/min • Machine weight (with interchangeable table): 8,200 kg • Cutting head: Lightweight HS head with capacitive sensor for constant distance, rapid-change lens/nozzle system, 5 protective safety measures • NC focusing function: Automatic focus adjustment via CNC and optics for varying materials/thicknesses Ljdpoz S Nfcjfx Alyjah • Positioning diode laser: Assists in approaching positions and working with residual sheets/trimmings Additional equipment • Pallet changer: Automatic palletizing system with pneumatic thin-sheet clamping and roller table for easy positioning • Extraction and chiller: Multi-chamber extraction with self-cleaning filters; closed-loop cooling unit for laser, focusing mirror, lens, and drives

Year of construction: 2026, condition: new, functionality: fully functional, For sale: skip with steel lid, 3000 x 2000 x 1250 mm Product description: For sale is a skip with a steel lid, 3000 x 2000 x 1250 mm, ideal for the transport and storage of waste, bulk materials, or industrial materials. The container is robust, safe, and ready for immediate use. Technical specifications: - Base: 3 mm - Sides: 3 mm - Steel lid: 2 mm - Frame, C-profile: 80 x 50 x 4 Lasdpfx Alozq E R Teyeh - Fasteners for transport, made of 6 mm sheet metal - Drain valve in the base of the container - Transport with a forklift is possible along and across the container - Transport with a crane is possible - Warning stickers: white and red - The entire range of RAL colors is available - Interior and exterior: zinc phosphate primer, exterior painted with synthetic resin paint (80-100 μ) Certificate: CE Warranty: 2 years Advantages: - Robust construction for heavy materials - Easy handling thanks to sturdy hinges - Stackable - Weather-resistant due to corrosion-resistant coating

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2006, functionality: fully functional, input voltage: 400 V, type of input current: three-phase, pressing force: 170 t, stroke length: 200 mm, table length: 3,100 mm, distance table to ram: 350 mm, clearance between the columns: 2,700 mm, total length: 4,500 mm, total width: 2,000 mm, total height: 2,850 mm, overall weight: 11,600 kg, Equipment: documentation/manual, safety light barrier, Amada HFP 170/3 CNC press brake | 2006 | AMNC-PC | Wila clamping system Machine specifications Manufacturer: Amada Model: HFP 170/3 Year of manufacture: 2006 Laedpfx Aoz S Nuqjlyoh Condition: used, in good working order Control system: Amada AMNC-PC Tool clamping system: Wila Included: 1 set of tools Dimensions: approximately 4,500 × 2,000 × 2,850 mm Machine weight: approximately 11,500 kg Location: Waanrode, Belgium Description Amada HFP 170/3 CNC press brake from 2006, equipped with AMNC-PC control system and Wila tool clamping system. The machine is used but still in good working order. One set of tools is included in the sale. The machine is being sold due to the purchase of a larger press brake. Transportation can be arranged upon request. Can be loaded on October 21st in Waanrode, Belgium.

Year of construction: 2026, condition: new, functionality: fully functional, For sale: Open-top skip container, 3000 x 2000 x 1250 mm Product description: For sale is an open-top skip container, 3000 x 2000 x 1250 mm, ideal for the transport and storage of waste, bulk materials, or industrial materials. The container is robust, safe, and ready for immediate use. Technical specifications: - Bottom: 3 mm - Sides: 3 mm - Frame, C-profile: 80 x 50 x 4 - Fasteners for transport, made of 6 mm sheet metal - Drain valve in the bottom of the container - Transport with a forklift is possible along and across the container Lodpfxszm Eihj Alyeah - Transport with a crane is possible - Warning stickers: white and red - Full range of RAL colors available - Zinc phosphate coating inside and outside - Primer, outside painted with synthetic resin paint (80-100 μ) Certificate: CE Warranty: 2 years Advantages: - Robust construction for heavy materials - Easy handling thanks to sturdy hinges - Stackable - Weather-resistant due to corrosion-resistant coating

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1996, pressure 80.0 t chamfer lenght 2550 mm distance between columns 2130 mm column arm 420 mm ajustment speed 100 mm/sec working feed 10.0 mm/sec return speed 80.0 mm/sec stroke 200 mm dayligth 470 mm table width 60.0 mm table height 910 mm Number of working hours ca. 37.102 h total power requirement 9.0 KW weight of the machine ca. 5750 kg range L-W-H 3100 x 2180 x 2540 mm good / well-maintained condition (!!) - Inspected condition - Machine video - ?v=fwdjSiQYq_A Lajdpfoxabnysx Alyoh Equipment: - CNC electro-hydraulic press brake - OPERATEUR CNC control for 8 axes X1 + X2, Y1 + Y2, R1 + R2, Z1 + Z2 - CNC-controlled backgauge adjustment (X-axes) - CNC-controlled vertical adjustment of the stop fingers (R-axes) - CNC-controlled left-right adjustment of the stop fingers (Z-axes) - Freely movable two-hand control & foot switch - Tool crowning - AMADA type - Various tools - CE marking - Side guards (hinged doors) - Rear guards (hinged door) - 2x emergency stop buttons at the front - Operating instructions

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2019, AMADA - LCG3015AJ – 2019, like new - Control system: AMADA - Fiber laser, 2100 W - Table size: 3000 x 1500 mm (x2) - Operating time: 300 hours - Documentation available - Weight: 9400 kg - Operational Due to excessive administrative overhead (customs regulations), we do not deliver to Turkey, Iran, Russia, or Belarus. Lajdpfx Asiv S Nqelyoh

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2008, functionality: fully functional, total length: 4,000 mm, quill stroke: 350 mm, quill travel distance: 350 mm, overall weight: 24,350 kg, input voltage: 400 V, power: 38.5 kW (52.35 HP), type of input current: three-phase, AMADA HFP 400-4L NT CNC HYDRAULIC PRESS BRAKE – 400 TONS / 4 METERS Amada HFP 400-4L NT hydraulic press brake from 2008, manufactured in France by Amada Europe. Robust and rigid machine, designed for bending thick sheet metal and large lengths in boiler making, metal construction, and industrial sheet metal fabrication. TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS - Manufacturer: Amada (Amada Europe S.A., France) - Model: HFP NT 400-4L - Year of manufacture: October 2008 - Serial number: B080063 - Bending force: 4,000 kN (approximately 400 tons) - Bending length: approximately 4 meters - Maximum stroke: 350 mm - Machine weight: 24,350 kg - Power supply: 400/415 V – 50 Hz – three-phase - Installed power: 38.5 kW - Rated current: 67 A - Sound level: less than 75 dB(A) - CE marking NUMERICAL CONTROL - Original Amada AMNC PC control system - Programming screen mounted on a pivoting arm - Remote electronic handwheel for fine adjustment (x5 function) - Control panel with emergency stop and test mode - Floor-mounted control pedal SAFETY - Fiessler AKAS laser safety barrier, with AKAS II-3M receiver - Operator hand protection as close as possible to the punch - Closed protective grating at the rear of the machine BACK GAUGES - Motorized back gauges controlled by the numerical control system - Guided by ball screws and linear rails - Repeatable sheet metal positioning Lodpsz Sva Hjfx Alyeah INCLUDED TOOLING - Segmented punches and dies mounted on the machine - Additional set of dies, punches (including Eurostamp), and accessories, on a pallet and in a crate CONDITION Machine located in an active workshop, complete equipment (control, safety barrier, back gauges, tooling). Paintwork worn, consistent with industrial use. SALES CONDITIONS - Location: Netherlands - Incoterm: EXW Dordrecht (negotiable) - Disassembly, loading, and transport are the responsibility of the buyer - Availability: from November 3, 2026 - Inspection possible by appointment

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2014, operating hours: 7,998 h, machine/vehicle number: 43610191, sheet thickness aluminum (max.): 6 mm, We are offering an Amada EML 3610NT punch laser combination machine for sale. The offered machine is used and in a very good condition. Main features of the machine (overall): - Possibility of combining punching and laser burning - automatic pick-up of details (suction cups for 45kg, small amount of perforation recommended) and exchange of pallets during the operation of the machine - automatic sheet feeding maximum length 3050x1500 and collection of residues after cutting, possibility of sheet loading during machine operation - automatic bale delivery 1500x400mm (two conveyor belts for details) - turning station with 41 fixed and 4 rotating stations - 3 manually adjustable paws - cutting elements on length 3020x1500 - Laser cutting length 2000x1500 - max. sheet thickness 6mm (due to brush table) - thread function - pneumatic hold-down device Accessories for the machine: - Light barrier - Thread cutting set - Sensor for bale chute - System for chip extraction - Separate lubrication of punching and threading tools - Bending sensors for sheet metal Laedpfx Aleum R T Soyeh - A conveyor belt that pulls out the punching waste Machine data as of 17.09.2024 - Time of the running machine: 7998 hours - Operating time: 2972 hours - Cutting time: 1196 hours - Working time of the resonator: 6154 hours AMADA EML3610NT - Max. Cutting force: 300 kN - Power (laser efficiency): 4kW (CO2) - Type: EML-NT - No. 43610191 - Model:EML3610NT - Year of manufacture: 2014 November - Total value of the connection to the network: 400V/68.3 kVA - Connected load: 85 kVA - Compressed air connection: 8 bar; 48 m3/h - Width of the guarded area: 30m (max) - Minimum safety distance: 1.36 m - Response time of the machine + total response time of the firewall: 320ms - Stop time: 300 ms - Machine braking distance: 180mm - Weight of the punching/laser machine: 24,000 kg PRIII (reception of finished parts) - Model: PR III 300 L 2P - No.: 2424 - Year of construction: 2013 - Connection to the network: 400/50V/Hz - Max. Power supply: 8.5 kW - Compressed air connection: 6 bar 1000 l/min. - Dimensions and weight of the elements to be collected: Workpiece thickness from 0.5 to 3mm Min.150x150mm max. 2500x1000mm with a weight of no more than 45kg - Machine weight (PRIII): 4600 kg ASIII MP (sheet feeder) - Model: ASIII MP 300 - No.: 2994 - Year of construction: 2015 - Connection to the network: 400/50V/Hz - Max. Power supply: 12kW - Compressed air connection: 6 bar 1000 l/min. - Size of sheets that can be stored: Max. 3000x1500mm Minimum steel thickness 1000x300mm from 0.5 to 8mm Weight of a single sheet no more than 300kg - Machine weight (PRIII): 12 000 kg The price is for the entire machine only. The price does not include Tools, dismantling, transportation and commissioning If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. The machine is offered in different sources. If you are interested, please confirm availability.

Condition: excellent (used), For sale: Professional industrial extraction unit by TEKA, model STRONGMASTER BIA, designed for welding fume extraction and air pollution control. ‼️ VERY LOW HOURS – ONLY 1,550 OPERATING HOURS (this is rare for this type of equipment) ⚙️ Technical specifications: Lasdpfoz Smqkjx Alysh Manufacturer: TEKA (Germany) Model: STRONGMASTER BIA Capacity: 3,000 m³/h Max. negative pressure: 2,500 Pa Motor power: 1.1 kW Power supply: 400V (3PH + N + PE) Frequency: 50 Hz Rated current: 2.5 A Protection class: IP54 Control voltage: 24V Weight: approx. 130 kg 🔧 Equipment: Flexible extraction arm Industrial filter Control panel Operating hours counter Mobile chassis with wheels 🔍 Condition: Used equipment, in good technical condition. Normal signs of use visible. ✅ Low hours – only 1,550h ➡️ Equipment is only lightly used ➡️ Significant potential for further operation

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1992, functionality: fully functional, operating hours: 8,600 h, input voltage: 400 V, input current: 16 A, input frequency: 50 Hz, pressing force: 80 t, overall weight: 5,200 kg, Amada Promecam Press Brake 80-25 CNC Press Brake, 80 tons, 2500mm bending length. Ledez Rqxhepfx Alyoah In perfect working order, easy to operate. Robust machine. Only 8600 operating hours. Can be inspected and tested before purchase. German operating manual included.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2006, laser power: 4,500 W, travel distance X-axis: 3,420 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,550 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 200 mm, number of axes: 3, This 3-axis AMADA FOL 3015 NT was manufactured in 2006. It features an impressive X-axis travel of 3420 mm, Y-axis travel of 1550 mm, and Z-axis travel of 200 mm. The machine is equipped with a powerful 4500 W laser source and includes a side pallet loading system, FANUC AF4500E CNC control, and an industrial extraction system. If you are looking to get high-quality laser cutting capabilities, consider the AMADA FOL 3015 NT machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Laser source: FANUC AF-4500E • CNC control: FANUC AF4500E Ledjz Ix R Sspfx Alysah Additional equipment • Side pallet loading system • HYFRA PEDIA SVK 540 cooling unit (chiller) • DONALDSON TORIT DCE DF8 industrial extraction system (fume extractor)

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1999, functionality: fully functional, stroke length: 350 mm, controller model: Amada Operator, bending force (max.): 320 t, working length: 4,100 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Press force: 320 t Bending length: 4,100 mm Stroke: 350 mm MACHINE DETAILS Control: Amada Operator Total power requirement: 32 kW Dimensions & Weight Space requirements: approx. 4,300 x 2,600 x 3,400 mm Laedjxwnxtspfx Alysh Machine weight: approx. 23,500 kg EQUIPMENT Amada quick-change tool holder Amada lower tool holder Controlled axes: y1, y2, x, r, z1, z2 Rear safety doors Two-hand foot operation

Condition: like new (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2018, operating hours: 100 h, Equipment: type plate available, Amada GS II 630 EVO sheet metal shear model year 2018, Working width 3050mm, max sheet thickness steel 40-45kg/mm2/6.35mm Max. sheet thickness stainless steel 60kg/mm2/4mm, aluminum max. sheet thickness 30kg/mm2/8mm. Accessories Side guide front stop beam 1m, Front stop beam 1m 2pcs, Standard lever stop 2pcs, Ball support 1.5m 3pcs. Cutting quantity 15,000 times. Pump operating hours 100h. Very little used Ljdeziviwjpfx Alyoah

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2004, turning length: 1,345 mm, turning diameter: 420 mm, spindle speed (min.): 3,000 rpm, travel distance X-axis: 260 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,280 mm, Manufacturer: Mori Seiki Co., Ltd. (Nagoya, Japan) + chuck system Machine model: NL3000MC/1250 Serial number: NL301DJ0070 Year of manufacture: October 2004 Machine weight: 7600 kg Electrical data Lajdpfx Alszm Tkasyoh Voltage: AC 200 V Phases: 3 Frequency: 50 Hz Rated power: 44 kVA Full load current: 127 A Spindle motor current: 200 A Interrupting capacity: 5 kA Electrical diagram number: NL301DJ0070 The machine is a CNC turning center (Mori Seiki NL series) with a nominal electrical power of 44 kVA. CHUCK SYSTEM: Manufacturer: Kitagawa Chuck: B-212A821F Chuck cylinder: S2091 Technical data Permissible pressure (when using external chuck jaws on the standard package): 2.7 MPa Maximum speed: 3000 min⁻¹ CNC turning center of the NL series (Mill Center version) with milling capability (driven tools + C-axis). The data is compiled from original Mori Seiki / DMG MORI catalogs and matches your machine's nameplate (year 2004, weight 7600 kg, 44 kVA, 200 V). Capacity ValueMax. turning diameter420 mmMax. turning length1250–1345 mm Swing over bed995 mm Swing over carriage825 mm Bar capacity90 mm (3.5") Standard chuck12" (Kitagawa B-212A821F) Travels X-axis: 260–280 mm Z-axis: approximately 1280–1370 mm (depending on the exact configuration /1250) Y-axis: option (usually ±60 mm for Y/SY versions) Spindle Max. speed: up to 4000–6000 min⁻¹ (limited to 3000 min⁻¹ with your Kitagawa chuck) Spindle bore diameter: 105 mm (approximately 91 mm with chuck) Spindle mounting: A2-8 Spindle motor power: 22/18.5 kW (30/25 HP) or up to 30 kW (depending on the version) Minimum indexing angle: 0.001° Turret (MC version) Number of stations: 10 or 12 Rotary tools: yes (max. 6000 min⁻¹) Power of rotary tool drive: 5.5 / 5.5 / 3.7 kW Indexing time: approximately 0.2–0.3 s Rapid traverses and drives Rapid traverse X/Z: up to 30 m/min Rapid traverse Y: up to 10 m/min (if equipped) C-axis: up to 300–400 min⁻¹ Electrical and other data (from your nameplate) Rated power: 44 kVA Voltage: 200 V AC, 3-phase, 50 Hz Full load current: 127 A Machine weight: 7600 kg Controller: typically MSX-850 / MAPPS