Used Finnpower Punching Press for sale (12,931)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1971, machine/vehicle number: 1967, pressure:30 t Giodpfecxxxmsx Anxot no. of strokes:100 - 600 Hub/min stroke adjustable from - to:8 - 40 mm ram adjustment:40 mm inlet width:198 mm mould height - Max./min.:230 - 270 mm roll surface width:110 mm hole in the table:310 x 80 mm distance between columns (le-ri):330 mm distance between columns (vo-hi):280 mm table height over floor:990 mm column diameter:50 mm voltage:380 V frequency:50/60 Hz control voltage:24 V table-size:475 x 450 mm ram diameter:190 mm total power requirement:0,96 - 5,5 kW weight of the machine ca.:2,5 t dimensions of the machine ca.:1,2 x 1,16 x 2,15 m

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1995, machine/vehicle number: 1830977, pressure:32 t no. of strokes:30 - 1100 Hub/min sheet width:0 - 120 mm table-size:760 x 580 mm feed::SANKYO V76 Gsdpfx Anecxxrlexeit stroke adjustable from - to:3-50 mm distance between columns (le-ri):800 mm :200 dayligth:235 mm feed length:0 - 76,2 mm hole in the table:670 x 110 mm ram adjustment:50 mm surface area of ram:710 x 410 mm plate thickness:0 - 3 mm band speed:max. 70 m/min control:OP 15 SIEMENS SPS Feeding Angle:165 ° total power requirement:18 kW weight of the machine ca.:6,5 t dimensions of the machine ca.:2,6 x 1,7 x 2,6 m precision machine in 4-column design, Sanyo V76 precision cam feeder, feed direction right to left, with Siemens CNC control OP15, noise reduction cabin, Herion press security valve, central lubrication, emergency cut-off

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1988, machine/vehicle number: 724306, pressure:63 t no. of strokes:400 Hub/min sheet width:180 mm stroke:10 - 80 mm feed length:150 mm band width:180 mm control:KAISER voltage:380 V dimensions of the machine ca.:1,85 x 2,70 x 3,00 m double-column machine with double connecting rods with adjustable stroke, electric rpm control, electric tappet adjustment, pneumatic tappet compensation, Imco individual pressure force monitoring device (split right / left), Unidor tool monitoring system, blower device, original Kaiser gripper feeder type ZR 18D, emergency cut-off, electric 2-hand operation, free-standing control Giodpfx Anscxxt Toxjt panel

Year of construction: 2005, condition: excellent (used), pneumatic punching machine Gsdpfsff Apwjx Anxeit

Year of construction: 2005, condition: excellent (used), machine/vehicle number: 47885/05, pneumatic punching of window profiles Gedpfx Aeff Apionxjit Stroke 20 mm

Condition: ready for operation (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2002, operating hours: 11,676 h, machine/vehicle number: KM-1148, laser power: 3,200 W, punching force: 22 t, punching diameter: 76 mm, sheet thickness (max.): 8 mm, workpiece weight (max.): 230 kg, workpiece length (max.): 1,650 mm, workpiece width (max.): 2,585 mm, No reserve price - guaranteed sale at the highest bid! Machine including SheetMaster and TrumaGrip TECHNICAL DETAILS Punching force: 22 tons Control: Siemens Sinumerik 840 D Punching working area: 3,085 x 1,740 mm Combined working area: 2,585 x 1,650 mm Max. sheet thickness: 8 mm Max. workpiece weight: 230 kg Max. punching diameter: 76.2 mm Rapid traverse X / Y / simultaneous: 90 / 60 / 108 m/min Tool holder: Hydraulic mono tool holder, 360° rotation Holder: Programmable for repositioning processes Chip handling: Chip bucket Laser unit: High-frequency excited CO₂ laser TruFlow Laser working area: 3,085 x 1,650 mm Laser power: 2,700 Watt Laser cutting heads: 5" lens, 7.5" lens, cutting head quick-change device Distance control: DIAS Cutting technology: HI-LAS high-pressure cutting Functions: AutoLas, ContourLas Laser control: TASC 3 MACHINE DETAILS Width: 2,400 mm Length: 8,700 mm Height: 7,800 mm Total weight: 22,500 kg Godpfx Aev Am Twenxoit Switch-on time: 59,2344 h Laser cutting time: 11,676 h EQUIPMENT - Parts chute 500 x 500 mm, sensor-monitored - 2 good parts boxes - AutoLas - Ejection cylinder on laser chute - Automatic tool length compensation - Tool spray lubrication - Punch slug extraction - 2nd lubricant container - Multi-beam Light barriers - Quick shutdown hydraulics - Extraction and compact dust extractor - MultiTool function - Thread forming function - Vibration-damped installation - Brush tables - Chip conveyor with tilting container - Standard equipment SheetMaster 1606 - Loading station with spreading magnets - TRUMAGRIP scrap skeleton disposal unit with scissor lift table - Sheet thickness gauge for double sheet control - Suction plate module - Parts conveyor belt A deposit of EUR 7,500 is required for transport security.

Year of construction: 2025, condition: new, Hydraulic C-frame press (punch press) Year of manufacture: 2025 Capacity: 100 tons at 230 bar Control / key switch: 1. Manual setup mode without light sensor 2. Automatic (at full speed) with light sensor Main cylinder: Ø 230 mm Auxiliary cylinders: 2 x Ø 50 x 30 mm Auxiliary guide: 2 x Ø 50 mm Motor: 11 kW – 15 hp Pump: 16 cc – 23 liters / ASC – Helical gear pump Speed: Forward 110 mm/sec – Return 200 mm/sec Pressure phase: 9 mm/sec Giodpfx Anjwag Rijxet Installation height: 500 mm Stroke length: 400 mm. Push plate: 750 x 600 mm. – with T-slots Table top: 750 x 600 mm. – with T-slots Table height: 850 mm. (Floor to table top edge) ----- Hydraulic accessories: Hydraulic control block & accessories: REXROTH Pressure adjustment via PLC. (20 – 100 tons) Speed adjustable via PLC. Air cooler Feed valve NG.63 Control accessories: Siemens S7-1200 Blsbjftg Sgsmmvyhwof Main control box Foldable control panel With side safety door (doors can be moved backwards) SICK 750 + 150 mm light sensors. Ruler for adjusting the stroke length 7" PLC screen – Siemens Movable two-hand control Alarm indicator for faults (light & sound) ----- • The press complies with the EN693 Machinery Directive • Hydraulic two-way valves • Dual-channel fused control system • Safety PLC – SICK • Operating instructions & parts list (German) • Warranty: 24 months ----- Oil capacity: 190 liters (Tank volume: 205 liters) Total weight: approx. 5,500 kg. Overall dimensions: 1300 x 2000 x 2750 mm. Delivery time: 2 - 3 weeks from stock. Paint finish: Light gray & dark gray The machine is available immediately in 2 - 3 weeks. Freight: approx. €2,000 from Konya to Germany

Condition: ready for operation (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2011, operating hours: 97,000 h, laser power: 2,500 W, sheet thickness (max.): 6 mm, workpiece length (max.): 2,000 mm, workpiece width (max.): 1,500 mm, Submission of a bid obligates the buyer to collect the machine on time by 05/09/2025! The machine has been serviced by the manufacturer. TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS Power and Cutting Force Cutting force: 300 kN Power: 2.5 kW (CO₂) Workpiece Cutting elements to length: 3,020 × 1,500 mm Laser cutting length: 2,000 × 1,500 mm Max. sheet thickness: 6 mm Stations Turret station: 41 fixed and 4 rotatable stations Giedpfjw Axa Uex Anxst MACHINE DETAILS Electrical Data Connected load: 400 V / 68.3 kVA Apparent power: 60 kVA Compressed Air Connection Compressed air connection: 8 bar Compressed air consumption: 48 m³/h Occupational Safety Width of protected area: 30 m Minimum safety distance: 1.36 m Machine reaction time + total fire protection wall reaction time: 320 ms Overrun time: 300 ms Machine braking distance: 180 mm Weight of the punching/laser machine: 30,000 kg EQUIPMENT Automatic part removal (suction cups) up to 45 kg Automatic sheet metal feed max. 3,050 × 1,500 mm Automatic bale output 1,500 × 400 mm Double loading ramp Light barrier Wire cutting kit Bale push sensor Chip extraction Conveyor for offcuts removal Separate lubrication for punching and threading tools Sheet bending sensors Punches included in the offer Loading of the machine can be arranged upon request. A large tooling package can be purchased for an additional 10,000 EUR.

Condition: good (used), Hoza EMU punch Gijdpfx Asuzhmtenxet This machine is ideal for punching out small molded parts from paper, rubber or textile goods. It has a high pressing force and fits on any stable table. The cut is initiated via a two-hand safety control. Forged blades or steel rule blades can be used in the machine. Knife stroke: 30 mm Max. punching format: 150 x 100 mm Weight: approx. 150 kg Color: hammer blow blue Dimensions: 450 x 360 x 600 mm Further items in other sizes - new and used - can be found in our store! International shipping costs on request!

Condition: new, functionality: unexamined, Year of construction: 2024, machine/vehicle number: 16.41-PS0382, control type: CNC control, degree of automation: automatic, actuation type: electric, sheet thickness (max.): 8 mm, input voltage: 400 V, input current: 20 A, type of input current: three-phase, 2024 Pima Power PS 1225 Brand new Complete machine. Machine was tipped on its side during transit and was damaged. Machine is stored in Our warehouse in California USA. Contact to set up in person inspection. Giedpfxjw Nbh Ho Anxst

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1999, Working area 4000 x 1500 mm Max pressure 30 ton No. of stations in turret 21 pcs. No. of indexing tool stations 10 pcs. Max. material thickness 8 mm Gsdpfx Anjxyiw Aoxeit Max. sheet size 3061 x 1528 m Max. punch dia. 89 mm Control: Siemens Sinumeric 840 D Equipped with: 4 threading stations Automatic loading/unloading system

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2007, punching force: 31 t, total height: 2,200 mm, total width: 5,165 mm, travel distance X-axis: 2,500 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,250 mm, overall weight: 12,000 kg, controller manufacturer: SIEMENS, controller model: SINUMERIK 840D CNC, product length (max.): 5,570 mm, number of axes: 2, This 3s Finn-Power C5 + Compact Express CNC punching machine was manufactured in 2007. It features a working area of 2500 × 1250 mm and a punching force of 30 tonnes. With 20 tool stations and a maximum tool diameter of ~89 mm, it offers efficient operation. Consider the opportunity to buy this Finn-Power C5 + Compact Express CNC punching machine. Contact us for further details. • Maximum sheet thickness (steel): 8 mm • Number of tool stations: 20 • Maximum tool diameter: ~89 mm • Table clamps: 3 (typically pneumatic) • Sheet weight capacity: ~200 kg • Traverse speeds: X ~90 m/min; Y ~60 m/min • Table support: vacuum or brush table Giedpfxeyiz Igo Anxet Additional equipment • Automatic loading/unloading system (automatic material handling, loaders/unloaders) • Chip/slug conveyor belt

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1988, pressure 400 t distance between columns 1100 mm stroke 250 mm no. of strokes 25 - 75 /min distance table/ram, max. stroke up, adjustment up 900 mm table surface area 1100 x 965 mm capacity of ejector in table 30 t ejector stroke of ejector in table 80 mm capacity of ejector in ram 3 t stroke of ejector in ram 60 / 70 mm ram surface 980 x 800 mm column travel -side 800 mm ram adjustment 20 mm Gijdpjvuuknefx Anxjt power capacity 80,0 + 5,5 kW weight 47,0 t Dimensions (WxDxH) 3,5 x 3,3 x 6,0 m weight of switch cabinet 1,4 t dimensions of electrical cabinet (WxDxH) 4,9 x 0,5 x 2,6 m Multi-station cold extrusion press with link drive with infinitely variable drive, hydraulic clutch-brake combination (Ortlinghaus), hydraulic overload protection in the slide, motorised slide adjustment, pneumatic counterbalance cylinder in press frame, cam-controlled ejector in table (30 t / 80 mm), pneumatic ejector in slide (3 t, 60 mm), motorised central lubrication

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1999, operating hours: 45,000 h, functionality: fully functional, type of input current: three-phase, FOR SALE: Finn-Power A5-20 SB Turret Punch Press Available for purchase is a reliable and high-performing Finn-Power A5-20 SB hydraulic turret punch press. Manufactured by Lillbacka Pressco Oy in Finland, this machine is a staple in the sheet metal industry, known for its durability and precise engineering. Gsdpfey Iwu Ijx Anxsit Technical Specifications: Machine Type: Finn-Power A5-20 SB Manufacturer: Lillbacka Pressco Oy, Vilppula, Finland Manufacturing Year: 1999 Punching Force: 230 kN Max. Working Pressure: 300 bar Machine Weight: 12,000 kg Key Features: CE Certified: Meets all European safety and quality standards. SB (Small Batch) Efficiency: Optimized for flexibility and quick changeovers, ideal for diverse production needs. Robust Construction: A 12-ton frame ensures stability and accuracy during industrial operations. Proven Technology: Built under several international patents (e.g., US-4,658,682 and FI-68545) ensuring technical excellence and reliability.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2003, operating hours: 25,000 h, functionality: fully functional, type of input current: three-phase, overall weight: 13,000 kg, FOR SALE: Finn-Power F5 S Turret Punch Press Available for purchase is a high-quality, Finnish-made Finn-Power F5 S turret punch press. Manufactured by the renowned Lillbacka Corporation, this machine offers robust performance and precision for demanding sheet metal fabrication. Technical Specifications: Machine Type: Finn-Power F5 S Manufacturer: Lillbacka Corporation, Finland Manufacturing Year: 2003 Godpfx Ansy Iwmwjxjit Punching Force: 300 kN Max. Working Pressure: 300 bar Machine Weight: 13,500 kg Key Features: CE Certified: Fully compliant with European safety and quality standards. Heavy-Duty Build: The 13.5-ton machine weight ensures excellent stability and vibration damping for high-precision work. Proven Reliability: Built with industry-leading technology and patented Finnish engineering.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2002, Extruders and oil screw presses for soybean processing, obtaining oil and soybean cake. There are two extruders and two presses. One extruder and one press work in tandem and form a pressing line. The motor power of the press is 22 kW and the power of the extruder is 55 kW. the capacity of one line is 500-800kg/h The price refers to one line (exstruder+press) Godpjtxinasfx Anxjit

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2009, functionality: fully functional, pressing force: 32 t, working height: 200 mm, controller model: Siemens 840D, working length: 2,150 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Bending length: 2,150 mm Maximum bending height: 200 mm Minimum length/width between bends: 160–350 mm Pressing force: 32 t MACHINE DETAILS Control: Siemens 840D Gijdpfx Anjy D Ihwoxst Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 8,500 x 7,000 x 2,850 mm Weight: 30,000 kg EQUIPMENT Automatic tool changer Manipulator Reverse bending cycle Sheet centering system Additional top tools Loading and unloading system

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, functionality: fully functional, input voltage: 380 V, input frequency: 50 Hz, stroke length: 200 mm, operating speed: 50 mm/s, reverse speed: 180 mm/s, table length: 3,200 mm, total length: 3,915 mm, total width: 1,605 mm, total height: 2,655 mm, overall weight: 8,000 kg, bending force (max.): 1,000 t, bending angle (max.): 90 °, warranty duration: 24 months, working height: 450 mm, All-Electric Servo Bending Machine Nominal force(KN): 1000 Slider stroke(mm): 200 Throat depth (mm): 360 X-axistravel(mm): 600 R-axistravel(mm): 200 Z-axistravel(mm): 2500 🔹 Smart CNC System – SL100-P with high-end algorithms and 12-inch touchscreen for intuitive operation. 🔹 High-Precision Structure – Finite element analysis (FEA), annealed, and one-time machining for long-term stability and accuracy. 🔹 4-Axis Intelligent Backgauge – AC servo-driven, high-speed positioning with automatic collision avoidance. 🔹 Precision Compensation System – Adjustable convex strips & fine-tuning mechanism for optimal bending accuracy. 🔹 Powerful & Durable Drive – High-torque servo motor, heavy-duty ball screws & sealed protection for longevity. 🔹 Fully Closed-Loop Control – Y1/Y2 magnetic scale feedback, positioning accuracy ±5μm. 🔹 Optimized Electrical System – Closed electrical box, heat dissipation, & neat wiring for reliability and easy maintenance. 🔹 Imported Precision Components – Ball screws & linear guides ensure accuracy without stroke compensation. 🔹 High precision, stability, and smart automation – designed for professional sheet metal bending! Giodpfov Hchlox Anxot

Condition: ready for operation (used), functionality: fully functional, In this offer you purchase a used colour production system ‘Xerox Versant 180 Press’ Object of sale: 1 x Xerox Versant 180 with the following equipment: incl. Fiery Server EX180 incl. Paperdeck A-CF03 incl. Booklet Finisher A-FN13 Not the right equipment? It is no problem to configure the machine according to your wishes. Please feel free to contact us! Counter readings: Total: Approx. 4,419,328 pages Colour: Approx. 3,524,210 pages Black: Approx. 895,118 pages Condition: This offer is a used device, which may show signs of use (minor scratches or yellowing). (minor scratches or yellowing). The device has been tested for function Giedpfx Aeu Ra Smsnxot A test printout can be seen in the photo Packaging and dispatch: You are welcome to view the device during our business hours. Please make an appointment for this! Seaworthy packaging and worldwide shipping available on request! A function test will be recorded on video for you before dispatch or collection. For further information, you can of course also contact us personally.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2005, Finn-Power C5-25 - Sheet Metal Processing Center / Nibbler - Siemens Sinumerik 840 D CNC control - Comprehensive accessory package with approx. 400 tools Gisdpfxeyx Ib Ho Anxst - Various spare parts included in the scope of delivery - Including machine enclosure - Machine is still operational - Approx. 12,000 operating hours - Year of construction: 2005 Technical Data Capacity: - Max. sheet size (X x Y): 2530 x 1270 mm - Min. sheet size (X x Y): 300 x 100 mm - Max. sheet thickness: 8 mm - Max. sheet weight: 200 kg - X-axis length: 2584 mm (X-42...X2542) - Max. X-axis traversing speed: 90 m/min - Y-axis length: 1317 mm (Y-25...Y1292) - Max. Y-axis traversing speed: 60 m/min Stroke Speeds: - Marking: 3000 strokes/min - Max. number of strokes (1 mm increment): 1100 strokes/min - Hole-to-hole (25 mm increment): 420 strokes/min - Pitch (250 mm increment): 150 strokes/min Punching: - Punching force: 300 kN - Punching stroke: Servo-hydraulic - Stroke depth: Numerically adjustable - Stroke length: Programmable - Stroke speed: Programmable Tools: - Tool stations: 20 - Max. punch diameter: 89 mm - Tool turret rotation: 23.8 rpm - Tool change time: 1 - 3 s CNC Index Tools: - Number of rotating stations: Standard 2 / max. 10 pcs - Max. punch diameter: 89 mm - Max. tool rotation speed: 166 rpm - Clamps: 2 pneumatic units - NC program memory: 1500 kB Punching accuracy according to LKP Test 7100: - Max. approach accuracy (X/Y-axis): 0.1 mm - Max. hole-to-hole distance deviation (X/Y-axis): ± 0.05 mm - Angle deviation: ± 0.1° Positioning accuracy according to VDI/DGQ 3441: - Positioning deviation Pa (X/Y-axis): ± 0.04 mm - Positioning deviation Ps (X/Y-axis): ± 0.02 mm Installation: - Electrical connection: 80 KVA - Average power consumption: 30 kW - Average compressed air consumption: 2.5 Nl/s - Max. compressed air consumption: 5 Nl/s - Min. compressed air supply: 6 bar - Oil tank capacity: 400 l - Machine weight: 12,000 kg

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2025, total length: 1,450 mm, total width: 800 mm, total height: 2,200 mm, Empty weight: 970 kg Price: On request Movable Press-Cylinder - Year: 2025 - Documentation available: Yes - CE marking present: Yes - CE certificate present: Yes - Operating hours: 0 - Drive system: Conventional - Press model: C-Frame press - Press force [ton]: 100 - Max. stroke [mm]: 380 - Table length [mm]: 1500 - Table width [mm]: 300 - Ram length [mm]: 100 - Throat depth [mm]: 1100 - Height adjustment [mm]: 750 - Motor power: 3.0kW - Transport dimensions: 1450mm x 800mm x 2200mm (l x w x h) - Transport weight [kg]: 970kg - Transport packages [pcs.]: 1 Financial information VAT: The price shown is exclusive of VAT VAT/margin: VAT deductible for entrepreneurs Delivery and trade-in always possible for everything in the industrial sectors Gisdpfx Aew N Su Donxst Lukas van Rossum

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2025, total length: 1,100 mm, total width: 800 mm, total height: 2,200 mm, Empty weight: 540 kg Price: On request Movable pressing-cylinder - Year: 2025 - Documentation available: Yes - CE marking present: Yes - CE certificate present: Yes - Operating hours: 0 - Drive system: Conventional - Press model: C-Frame press - Press force [ton]: 60 - Max. stroke [mm]: 380 - Table length [mm]: 1000 - Table width [mm]: 260 - Ram length [mm]: 100 Godew N St Hjpfx Anxjit - Throat depth [mm]: 750 - Height adjustment [mm]: 750 - Motor power: 2.2kW - Transport dimensions: 1100mm x 800mm x 2200mm (l x w x h) - Transport weight [kg]: 540kg - Transport packages [pcs.]: 1 Financial information VAT: The price shown is exclusive of VAT VAT/margin: VAT deductible for entrepreneurs Delivery and trade-in always possible for everything in the industrial sectors Lukas van Rossum

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2025, total length: 1,300 mm, total height: 1,400 mm, total width: 800 mm, Empty weight: 800 kg Price: On request - Year: 2025 - Documentation available: Yes - CE marking present: Yes - CE certificate present: Yes - Serial number: HB10011N2025006 - Operating hours: 0 - Control: Teach-in - Motor power: 4.0kW - Transport dimensions: 1300mm x 800mm x 1400mm (l x w x h) - Transport weight [kg]: 800kg - Transport packages [pcs.]: 1 Financial information VAT: The price shown is exclusive of VAT VAT/margin: VAT deductible for entrepreneurs Gsdpjxixrusfx Anxeit Delivery and trade-in always possible for everything in the industrial sectors Lukas van Rossum

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2025, total length: 1,200 mm, total width: 800 mm, total height: 1,800 mm, Empty weight: 450 kg Price: On request - Year: 2025 - Documentation available: Yes - CE marking present: Yes - CE certificate present: Yes - Serial number: PB12093N2025005 - Operating hours: 0 Gisdpfx Anoxixrhoxst - Drive system: Conventional - Number of rolls [pcs.]: 3 - Power [kW]: 1.5 - Shaft diameter [mm]: 155 - Capacity diameter round [mm]: 50 - Transport dimensions: 1200mm x 800mm x 1800mm (l x w x h) - Transport weight [kg]: 450kg - Transport packages [pcs.]: 1 Financial information VAT: The price shown is exclusive of VAT VAT/margin: VAT deductible for entrepreneurs Delivery and trade-in always possible for everything in the industrial sectors Lukas van Rossum

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, With this offer, you are purchasing a used ‘Xerox Versant 180 Press’ colour production system. Item for sale: 1 x Xerox Versant 180 Press with the following equipment: Gsdpfexnlbmox Anxjit Includes FreeFlow Server or Fiery Server Includes Paperdeck A-CF03 Includes Booklet Finisher A-FN13 Includes SquareFold Unit SQF-104 Not the right equipment? It is no problem to configure the machine according to your requirements. Please feel free to contact us! Meter readings: Total: Approx. 267,310 pages Colour: Approx. 253,808 pages Black: Approx. 13,502 pages Condition: This offer is for a used device, which may show signs of wear (minor scratches or yellowing). The device has been tested for functionality. A test print can be seen in the photo. Packaging and shipping: You are welcome to view the device during our business hours. Please make an appointment! Seaworthy packaging and worldwide shipping available on request! A function test will be recorded on video for you before shipping or collection. For more information, please feel free to contact us personally.