Used Fpt Industrie Machining Center - Universal for sale (88,855)

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 1,500 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 700 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 740 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 48 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 48 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 36 m/min, feed rate X-axis: 20 m/min, feed rate Y-axis: 20 m/min, feed rate Z-axis: 20 m/min, nominal power (apparent): 40 kVA, torque: 154 Nm, controller manufacturer: Heidenhain, controller model: 640, table load: 1,500 kg, rotary table diameter: 700 mm, rotational speed (max.): 800 rpm, overall weight: 12,000 kg, spindle speed (max.): 17,000 rpm, coolant supply: 40 bar, Equipment: chip conveyor, documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, MILLING/TURNING CENTER, HSK 63T, Heidenhain, 90 tools Swivel Milling Head: Gbodpfx Aoylnq Tjp Deu - With torque motor and hydraulic clamping - Swivel range +30/-120°, infinitely variable - 17,000 rpm - 154 Nm torque - Drive power 29 kW - Separate spindle cooling for consistent temperature - Tool holder HSK-T63 with air blast function Integrated Rotary Table: - With torque motor and hydraulic clamping - Speed 800 rpm - Diameter 700 mm - Extended clamping surface 1,600 x 700 mm General Features: - Heidenhain glass scales on all 5 axes - 90-position tool changer with double-arm gripper - Coolant and compressed air pistol - Chip conveyor - Coolant system - Electronic handwheel - Work area lighting - Ergonomic control console

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1999, serial number 10970000633 Godpfxjx Uz Apo Ap Dsbu control 3D Bahnsteuerung MILLPLUS letzte Ausbaust Control 67 10.221.661 x-travel 600 mm y-travel 700 mm z-travel 550 mm spindle SK40 - neu - 380 Std. spindle speed: 12.000 U/min tool change unit 30 Plätze Infrarot-Taster 600 L 40 bar mode of operation 3 + 4 MillPlus IT flushing gun mit Pumpe Durchmesser 630 mm T-slots 9 T-Nuten 14 H7 / 63 mm capacity 700 kg

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), Year of construction: 2025, travel distance X-axis: 3,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,400 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 30 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 30 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 30 m/min, workpiece weight (max.): 6,000 kg, rotational speed (max.): 10,000 rpm, tool length: 800 mm, New machine HDC3000 with 6 axes Gjdpfx Apoz Ipnzs Debu • Travel ranges: X=3000 mm, Y=1500 mm, Z=1400 mm • Heidenhain iTNC 640 with handwheel • NC rotary table for 5-sided machining 1250 mm x 1600 mm • 2-axis NC universal drilling and milling head, fully simultaneous and positioning operation • Spindle 10,000 rpm HSK100, S1=220 Nm spindle torque • Tool change system HSK100 / 60 stations – 800 mm tool length • Chip conveyor • Optimized for 5-sided machining including deep hole drilling • Coolant supply system • Internal/external air blow-off device • ICS 60 bar for deep hole machining • Fully enclosed • Large interference circle 2300 mm • Including mounts • Including wash gun • Including warranty • Short delivery time, subject to prior sale

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2016, functionality: fully functional, Equipment: chip conveyor, documentation/manual, DMG MORI Machining Center 5-Axis Simultaneous Godpfx Ajzxpt Usp Djbu Type: DMU 95 MonoBlock Year: 2016

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2008, 1 used 5-axis machining center Manufacturer: DECKEL MAHO Type: DMU 60 Monoblock Year of manufacture: 2008 Technical data: Gbsdpfxszv Dxae Ap Deu Main drive: Motor spindle 12,000 rpm 15 kW (40% duty cycle); 10 kW (100% duty cycle) Tool holder: SK 40 according to DIN 69871 Control system: iTNC 530 / MillPlus IT NC rotary table integrated into a fixed table Diameter 600 mm / 1000 mm x 600 mm Controlled NC swivel milling head (B-axis) including hydraulic clamping Spindle offset 100 mm Swivel range -120/+30° Chain magazine with 60 magazine slots Production package 40 bar Paper band filter Internal coolant supply through the spindle center, Form AD Rotating viewing window

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2015, Mikron HPM 800U HD 5 axis Vertical Machining Centre, with 7 pallet changer (2015) Traverses XYZ: 800 x 800 x 550mm, 500 x 500mm table, A axis -91 / + 121 degrees, C axis, 360 degrees, Heidenhain TNC530, Spindle Speed 20,000rpm, 36kW Spindle Motor, HSK A63 Spindle Taper, Gedpfozm Ticex Ap Debu 165 tools, swarf conveyor, through spindle coolant,

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2006, functionality: fully functional, Operating hours: 113520 h Total spindle hours: 58190 h (date: 3rd September 2026) In April 2026, a new milling spindle from DMG-MORI was installed. Since then only 25 running hours ! A recent accuracy test report is available. Gedpozvm Abefx Ap Dsbu * 4-axes controlled * CNC control HEIDENHAIN iTNC 530 * Autom. swivel-type milling head (B-axis) +/- 105 deg. * 120-station ATC * Chip conveyor * Tool measuring device (laser) * Electronic handwheel * Control cabinet with air conditioning Machine will be sold without clamping devices, vise, and tools. Technical details x-travel 2500 mm y-travel 920 mm z-travel 820 mm Control Heidenhain iTNC 530 table surface area 3100 x 900 mm table load 3,0 t tool taper HSK-A63 spindle turning speed range 20 - 18000 rpm rapid traverse (X,Y,Z) 100 / 60 / 60 m/min main drive (S1/S6) 35 / 25 kW total power requirement 92 kVA weight of the machine ca. 25,6 t dimensions of the machine ca. 10,3 x 6,2 x 3,3 m

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2012, operating hours: 15,500 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 30017349, Equipment: chip conveyor, For sale is a well-maintained Hedelius RS605 K20 5-axis machining center from the proven RotaSwing series, manufactured in 2011 and first put into operation in 2012. The machine combines a fixed machine table with an integrated rotary-tilting table and thus enables the economical complete machining of workpieces in just two setups. It is equipped with a CNC control system Heidenhain iTNC 530, chip conveyor, 3D measuring probe, coolant system, and additional Brankamp collision monitoring system for the protection of the machine and tools. The machine is currently still in productive use and can be made available on short notice. Technically and visually in good to very good condition, regularly maintained. Inspection and test run possible at the West Saxony location by appointment. Various clamping devices, tools, and CAD programs can be purchased ADDITIONALLY (vacuum plate, magnetic clamping table, etc. - see pictures). Other machines from site closure are also available. Takeover of the location negotiable. Gbedpfx Apezukx Rj Deu

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2003, x-travel 630 mm y-travel 560 mm z-travel 560 mm control iTNC 530 Heidenhain Main spindle: turning speed range - main spindle 20 - 12.000 min/-1 power capacity - main spindel 15 / 10 kW max. Torque 125 Nm tool taper MAS BT 40 swivellable B: 103 ° feed: feed speeds 20 - 10.000 mm/min rapid traverse X-axis 26 m/min rapid traverse Y-axis 26 m/min rapid traverse Z-axis 20 m/min Resolution 0,001 mm input unit 0,001 mm work table: surface area 1.000 x 600 mm rotary table dia. 600 mm number of T-slots 8 / 1 T-slot - width 14 H12 / 14 H7 T-slot - distance 63 mm max. table loading capacity 350 kg rotatable C: 360 ° Tool-Presetter: number of toolpositions 24 pos. max. tool diameter 80 mm max. tool-dia with free toolbox 130 mm max. tool length 315 mm max. tool weight 8 kg total wight max. 100 kg total power requirement 26 kVA weight of the machine ca. 6,7 t dimensions of the machine ca. 4,0 x 4,0 x 3,0 m CNC - MachiningCenter Universal DECKEL MAHO - DMU 60 T - 5-Axis - controled NC-Swivel-Milling-Head ( B-Axis ) - Rotary Table integrated in Working-Table ( C-Axis ) Gbodpfx Apovn Utce Deu

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2017, Main spindle changed 2025. Technical details shown on photo. Godpfx Aey S U Tcep Debu Parts shown by hand not come.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1994, x-travel 1600 y-travel 1300 mm z-travel 1450 mm Control Siemens 840C Tool changer 100 Pos number of spindle speeds 10-4000U/min tool taper Iso50 A-axis -100°/+10° c-axis 360.000° 0 The tech. Data are manufacturer or operator information and therefore non- binding. We reserve the right to prior sale; Our terms and conditions of sale apply exclusively. About us More than 400 of our own machines in stock Over 15,000 m² of storage space, 70 t crane capacity More than 10,000 items and accessories for your workshop Gbodpfxjyqvv Us Ap Dsu If you are interested in selling machines, production lines, or your business, please contact us. You can find further offers on our website. Tours are possible by appointment. We look forward to your visit. Your Markus Hirsch Team

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1985, x-travel 560 mm y-travel 450 mm z-travel 450 mm rotary table dia. 270 mm rotary table tiltable 0 - 24 ° spindle taper ISO 30 spindle turning speed range 31,5 - 7100 U/min feed speeds 1 - 10.000 mm/min control SINUMERIK System 8 no. of tools in magazin 40 workpiece length 255 mm weight of tools max. 6 kg total power requirement 32 kW weight of the machine ca. 11,6 t = 5 axis machining centre Accessories: various tool fixtures, coolant Gbsdstycfuopfx Ap Dju

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1997, Travel range X/Y/Z: 600mm/525mm/500mm Spindle speed: 20 - 6300 rpm, continuously variable and programmable Gbedpfxozxq D Io Ap Dju Tool holder: SK40 Feed rate: max. 10m/min Rapid traverse rate X and Y axes: 18m/min Documentation available (see images) Upon request, transport and loading can be arranged throughout Europe for an additional fee. Prices plus VAT. Inspection possible by appointment. Contact us, our team will be happy to assist you. Machine buying and selling PURCHASE / SALE OF PRODUCTION & METALWORKING MACHINES, MACHINE TOOLS, ETC. Hob Awypjzvflhoakst Do you need a high-quality but affordable machine for your production? Or do you want to sell yours? For further information or to contact us, please use the contact form.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2012, Equipment: chip conveyor, Spinner U5-1520 5-axis machining center Control system: Heidenhain 620 Year of manufacture: 2012 Table dimensions: 2-part – fixed 920x540 mm / rotary round table 650x500 mm (with enlarging ring) Travel in X-axis: 1,520 mm Travel in Y-axis: 520 mm Travel in Z-axis: 420 mm Spindle mount: ISO 40 Spindle speed: 12,000 rpm Automatic tool changer: 32 positions Spindle motor power: 15 kW Net weight approx.: 10,000 kg Accessories: Internal cooling system with paper band filter Chip conveyor Gbedsztv Ihjpfx Ap Deu Handwheel

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2011, operating hours: 5,680 h, functionality: fully functional, Control system: WINMAX V08 Table dimensions: 1220 x 610 mm / D600 mm Gbodpjy Ux Tfefx Ap Dsu Table load capacity: 1000 kg X-axis travel: 1060 mm Y-axis travel: 610 mm Z-axis travel: 610 mm C-axis: 0 - 360 degrees A-axis: +/-92 degrees Spindle speed: 12000 rpm Spindle taper: SK40 Drive power: 11/18 kW Weight: 7500 kg Dimensions (LxWxH): 3200 x 2450 x 2650 mm Accessories / Features - NC rotary table - Swivel spindle - CTS 20 bar (Coolant Thru Spindle) - Chip conveyor - Coolant system - RENISHAW zero-point measuring system with touch probe - Machine feet - Manuals The machine is in very good technical condition. Immediately available.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2007, x-travel 730 mm y-travel 560 mm z-travel 560 mm control iTNC 530 Heidenhain Gbedpswpw E Nofx Ap Dsu turning speed range - main spindle max. 18.000 min/-1 power capacity - main spindel 10 / 15 kW max. Torque 130 / 87 Nm tool taper HSK-A63 swivellable NC: ° table surface area 1.000 x 600 mm T-slots 9x 14 x 63 mm table diameter 600 mm rotatable C: 360 ° max. table load 500 kg number of toolpositions 60 pos. tool taper HSK-A63 total power requirement 40 kVA weight of the machine ca. ca. 11,0 t dimensions of the machine ca. 4,5 x 4,5 x 3,5 m CNC - MachiningCenter Universal DECKEL MAHO - DMU 60 monoBLOCK - 5 Axis - NC-Rotary-Table - Swivel-MillingHead

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2013, CNC milling machine DECKEL FP4CC/T, serial number 2824-0124, modernized in 2013, travel ranges XYZ = 550 x 500 x 450 mm, with driven rotary table, control system DECKEL Dialog 11. Godpjzlpkajfx Ap Dobu

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2004, Machine is good working condition. Control unit Heidenhain TNC 530 Parts shown by hand not come. Gjdpfoyufn Iox Ap Dsbu

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2012, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 540 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 24 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 24 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 20 m/min, total height: 2,720 mm, total length: 3,160 mm, total width: 2,240 mm, For sale: 3-axis CNC milling machine, Mikron VCE 600 Pro The machine is in excellent condition and ready for immediate use. Technical data: Year of manufacture: 2012 Control: Heidenhain ITNC 530 Operating hours: 22,840 Spindle hours: 10,902 X-axis travel: 600 mm Y-axis travel: 500 mm Z-axis travel: 540 mm Max. spindle speed: 10,000 rpm Tool holder: SK40 Tool magazine: Clamping surface: 700 x 500 mm Dimensions: 3,160 x 2,240 x 2,720 mm Weight: 4,800 kg Included in the offer: Chip conveyor, interior extraction, through-spindle coolant system, handwheel control, coolant gun, 3D probe, Renishaw tool measurement system Not included: Clamping devices, tool holders Gsdpfx Aoxnprvsp Dsbu Transport and loading can be organised across Europe at additional cost upon request. Prices are quoted net plus VAT. Inspection possible by appointment. Please contact us – our team will be happy to assist you. Trade-in or exchange possible! Machinery Purchase / Sale BUY / SELL PRODUCTION & METALWORKING MACHINES AND MORE. Are you looking for a high-quality yet affordable metalworking machine for your production? Or do you want to sell yours? For further information or contact details, please visit our website.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2017, functionality: fully functional, 5-axis machining center Hedelius ACURA 65 Control system: TNC 640 Year of manufacture: 2017 Internal machine number: 72 Travel ranges: X-axis: 700 mm Y-axis H / V: 650 / 465 mm Z-axis: 600 mm Rotary tilting table: Ø 650 x 540 mm Tilting range: +30° to -115° Interference circle diameter: Ø 700 mm Table load: 500 kg Tool holder: DIN 69893-1 HSK-A63 Tool magazine: 65 stations Spindle speed: 50 - 18,000 rpm ZeroClamp, 4-fold 3D measuring probe M&H 25.50 Gbjdpfx Aozwuq Njp Dju 5-axis simultaneous machining ACURA Handheld control unit HR 250 3D mold making alignment ACURA KinematicsOpt TNC640 Collision monitoring ACURA/TNC Compressed air at the spindle head Coolant system 1250l, 25 bar Chip conveyor Exhaust filter Laser light curtain for tools ACURA

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2008, Universal machining center: Fahrständer Machine type: AXA VHC 2 - 1760 XTS Control: Siemens 840 D ShopMill Year: 2008 SPECIFICATIONS Travel X-Axis: 1.760 (2 x 630) mm Y-Axis: 600 mm Z-Axis: 800 horizontal oder 770 vertikal mm A-Axes B-Axes: +/- 100°, hydraulisch geklemmt, stufenlos interpolierend Rapid motion: (X/Y/Z): 40 / 40 / 30 m/min. Amount of controlled axes: 5 Spindle speeds: 30 - 6.000 rpm Spindle power: 30 kW Torque: 143 Nm Tool: SK 40 Toolchanger Tool capacity: 36 NC rotary table: AXA RTA 4L-520 face plate: Ø 520, für vertikalen & horizontalen Aufbau mm Tailstock: manuell, Spitzenhöhe 280 mm Machine weight: 12.000 kg Req. space (LxBxH): 5,2 x 3,4 x 3,3 m Equipment Internal cooling: 30 bar Chip conveyor: links abwerfend, integrierter 200 l Kühlmittelbehälter cooling system Cooling tank: 400 l Caliper: 3 D, Renishaw RMP 60 mit RMI Empfänger (kabellose Ausführung) wahlweise Verwendung der Aussenkühlung mit Durckluft oder Emulsion Direct linear scales: Heidenhain Working mode: 4 Flachführungen gehärtet Gegenführungen mit Gleitbelag (Turcite) beschichtet Gbsdpjzimr Asfx Ap Dsu Erneuerung des Gleitbelag des Grundschlittens X/Y in 2022.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2013, operating hours: 7,358 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 6LUD00036, travel distance X-axis: 620 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 520 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 460 mm, feed length X-axis: 620 mm, feed length Y-axis: 620 mm, feed length Z-axis: 460 mm, feed rate X-axis: 36,000 m/min, feed rate Y-axis: 36,000 m/min, feed rate Z-axis: 36,000 m/min, torque: 108 Nm, controller manufacturer: Heidenhain, controller model: iTNC530, workpiece length (max.): 500 mm, workpiece width (max.): 400 mm, workpiece height (max.): 350 mm, workpiece diameter (max.): 680 mm, workpiece weight (max.): 300 kg, total height: 3,400 mm, total length: 4,600 mm, total width: 2,700 mm, table width: 600 mm, table height: 755 mm, table length: 600 mm, table load: 300 kg, rotary table diameter: 600 mm, rotational speed (min.): 20 rpm, rotational speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, overall weight: 8,500 kg, spindle speed (min.): 20 rpm, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, operating hours of spindle: 5,303 h, coolant supply: 18 bar, distance table center to spindle nose: 50 mm, spindle motor power: 17,000 W, spindle nose: SK40, number of spindles: 1, number of slots in tool magazine: 100, input voltage: 400 V, type of input current: three-phase, Equipment: chip conveyor, documentation/manual, Commissioned 4/2014 Table rotation, C-axis: 360° Table swivel, B-axis: -50° to +110° Distance from spindle nose to table: 150 mm Table clamping surface: Ø 650 Table load capacity, max.: 300 kg Table slots: 5 x 18H7 x 100 mm Centering bore: Ø 50 H7 x 30 mm Workpiece size, max.: Ø 520 x 330 mm Machine accuracy: VDI I DGQ 3441* Positioning accuracy: +/- 0.006 mm* Axis resolution: 0.001 mm* *determined at a constant ambient temperature of 20°C +/- 1°C Main spindle: Main drive, AC motor, direct drive Drive power (100% / 25% ED): 10.0 / 17.0 kW Speed range, stepless: 20 - 12000 rpm Spindle taper: SK 40 DIN 69871 Torque at (100% / ED): 63.7 / 108.6 Nm Axis drives: Axes X, Y, Z: AC motors Axes B, C: AC motors Travel speeds: Rapid traverse in axes X, Y, Z: 36 m/min Speed, max. B-axis: 25 rpm Speed, max. C-axis: 25 rpm Acceleration X, Y, Z: 6.5 m/s² Coolant system: External tool cooling via external nozzles Coolant tank: 280 l Operating pressure, external: 0.9 bar Coolant system, internal tool cooling DIN 69871 Form A Operating pressure, internal coolant supply: 18.0 bar Manual rinsing of the work area via an additional gun Standard accessories: - CNC control: Heidenhain iTNC 530, full simultaneous 5-axis version - Handwheel 410 (Heidenhain) - Digital axis drives - Digital spindle drive - Swarf conveyor with discharge height 800 mm • Spindle cooling – radiators – plate cooling for spindle motor - Full protective enclosure with cabin roof Gsdez Diq Uepfx Ap Dobu Tool magazine VZG 65 5A by Indunorm: Number of tools: 100, with a tool length of up to 320 mm / can be converted to 125 tools, then a tool length of only 200 mm is possible. Tool diameter, max.: 80 mm Tool diameter, max.: 130 mm (with free adjacent positions) Tool change with double gripper - Linear path measuring system in axes X / Y / Z (glass scale) - Direct encoder in axes B / C - Temperature compensation - IR measuring probe – 3D Software - Option - iTNC 530 Kinematic-Opt • Calibration software Internal tool cooling 18 bar • Coolant tank • Internal tool cooling: 280 L DIN 69871 Form A • Double-circuit filter • Switchable filter cartridges • Filtration rate: 10 µm Band filter system PRODUCTION - LINE - RT 100 Automatic pallet changing system Loading and unloading via a linear axis system: Handling data: Handling weight, max.: 100 kg (35 kg) Pallet capacity: 6 pallet positions up to 400 x 400 mm: Control: PLC control with integrated control cabinet incl. switching and control components incl. software for the automatic sequence Zero point clamping system 320 x 320 x 60 mm - Clamping via 4 clamping bolts - Axis distance: 180 mm - Clamping force: 4 x 12500 N - Repeatability: 0.005 mm - Axial load, max.: 4000 kg • Zero point clamping plate 320 x 320 - Automatic door Interface for automation and clamping systems Universal interface for automatic pallet changing systems, force clamping devices and zero point clamping systems • for pneumatic clamping systems • 2-channel rotary feedthrough integrated in the table • Pneumatic lines led to the outside • Pneumatic maintenance unit • Control via M commands logical inputs and outputs prepared incl. 7 pallets 320x320 with 6 vices and one 3-jaw chuck !!without tool holders and without tools!! Machine ex works, without delivery and assembly, all information without guarantee, price plus statutory value-added tax.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2002, Deckel Maho DMU 50 T Milling machine Condition: Used Year of manufacture: 2002 Operating hours: 34,739 hours Program running time: 6,435 hours Technical data Tool holder: SK 40 Number of tool positions: 16 Travel ranges X/Y/Z: 500 mm / 400 mm / 400 mm Spindle speed range: 20 - 9000 rpm, stepless Table size: 700 mm x 500 mm, rotary table Motor power: 9 kW at 100% duty cycle / 13 kW at 40% duty cycle Connection: total 17 kVA Weight: approx. 3,000 kg Godpfx Aezhlq Iop Dsbu Dimensions L x W x H: approx. 2100 m x 1520 (without peripherals) approx. 2140 mm

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2008, HEIDENHAIN iTNC530 with A + C axis Gbsdpfx Ajtt R E Top Dju Working travels 712 x 508 x 515 mm Table swivelling +30°/-120° Table rotating 360° Spindle taper SK40 Big Plus Spindle speeds -15'000 rpm tool changer 60 pos. Coolant through spindle 3D tracer Renishaw Tool breakage control Tool lenght measuring device Chip conveyor Misc. accessories MARCELS MASCHINEN CH

Condition: excellent (used), AUTOMATIC PRODUCTION LINE FOR HIGH-VOLUME WOUND ROTOR MANUFACTURING IN EXCEPTIONAL WORKING CONDITION CAN BE INSPECTED UNDER POWER INSTALLED IN ITS ORIGINAL OPERATING POSITION SHUT DOWN FOR REPLACEMENT WITH ANOTHER LINE DUE TO PRODUCT RANGE CHANGE Gbjdpfx Apoykz T Sj Dou IDEAL FOR COMPLETE PURCHASE IN CURRENT CONFIGURATION CAN ALSO BE PARTIALLY ACQUIRED (SUBJECT TO RELEVANT DISCUSSION)