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Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna
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Poland Wymysłów
6,232 km

Franz Pytlik Nürnberg manual guillotine – 112 cm cutting capacity – cast iron, professional grade
Gilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalnaGilotyna ręczna Franz Pytlik Nürnberg – cięcie 112 cm – żeliwna, profesjonalna

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Aluminum die casting machine IDRA IDRA 320PRP
Aluminum die casting machine IDRA IDRA 320PRP
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Romania Bradu
5,605 km

Aluminum die casting machine
IDRAIDRA 320PRP

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Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
Die casting machine IDRA NEO 1000
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Romania Brașov
5,574 km

Die casting machine
IDRANEO 1000

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Rotary Casting Machine Reinhardt RSO32
Rotary Casting Machine Reinhardt RSO32
Rotary Casting Machine Reinhardt RSO32
Rotary Casting Machine Reinhardt RSO32
Rotary Casting Machine Reinhardt RSO32
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Czech Republic Alojzov
6,276 km

Rotary Casting Machine
ReinhardtRSO32

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Steady rest, follower for lathe 150 mm – openable cast iron construction Podtrzymak, okular do tokarki 150 mm – żeliwna konstrukcja otwierana
Steady rest, follower for lathe 150 mm – openable cast iron construction Podtrzymak, okular do tokarki 150 mm – żeliwna konstrukcja otwierana
Steady rest, follower for lathe 150 mm – openable cast iron construction Podtrzymak, okular do tokarki 150 mm – żeliwna konstrukcja otwierana
Steady rest, follower for lathe 150 mm – openable cast iron construction Podtrzymak, okular do tokarki 150 mm – żeliwna konstrukcja otwierana
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Poland Wymysłów
6,232 km

Steady rest, follower for lathe 150 mm – openable cast iron construction
Podtrzymak, okular do tokarki 150 mm – żeliwna konstrukcja otwierana

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Support holder for lathe lens mount 120 mm – cast iron construction Potrzymak uchwyt do tokarki 120 mm – żeliwna konstrukcja
Support holder for lathe lens mount 120 mm – cast iron construction Potrzymak uchwyt do tokarki 120 mm – żeliwna konstrukcja
Support holder for lathe lens mount 120 mm – cast iron construction Potrzymak uchwyt do tokarki 120 mm – żeliwna konstrukcja
Support holder for lathe lens mount 120 mm – cast iron construction Potrzymak uchwyt do tokarki 120 mm – żeliwna konstrukcja
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Poland Wymysłów
6,232 km

Support holder for lathe lens mount 120 mm – cast iron construction
Potrzymak uchwyt do tokarki 120 mm – żeliwna konstrukcja

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Dosing and Casting System Respecta Epoxidharz
Dosing and Casting System Respecta Epoxidharz
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Germany Germany
6,760 km

Dosing and Casting System
RespectaEpoxidharz

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Cast resin epoxy transformers - dry SGB 2000 22/0,4kV
Cast resin epoxy transformers - dry SGB 2000 22/0,4kV
Cast resin epoxy transformers - dry SGB 2000 22/0,4kV
Cast resin epoxy transformers - dry SGB 2000 22/0,4kV
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Czech Republic Hrušovany u Brna
6,303 km

Cast resin epoxy transformers - dry
SGB2000 22/0,4kV

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Cast resin distribution transformer TESAR ITALY 1MVA 6kV/0,4kV
Cast resin distribution transformer TESAR ITALY 1MVA 6kV/0,4kV
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Czech Republic Hrušovany u Brna
6,303 km

Cast resin distribution transformer
TESAR ITALY1MVA 6kV/0,4kV

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Cast epoxy resin transformer ABB 1000kVA 20/0,41kV
Cast epoxy resin transformer ABB 1000kVA 20/0,41kV
Cast epoxy resin transformer ABB 1000kVA 20/0,41kV
Cast epoxy resin transformer ABB 1000kVA 20/0,41kV
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Czech Republic Hrušovany u Brna
6,303 km

Cast epoxy resin transformer
ABB1000kVA 20/0,41kV

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Cast epoxy resin transformer ABB 1600kVA 6/0,4kV
Cast epoxy resin transformer ABB 1600kVA 6/0,4kV
Cast epoxy resin transformer ABB 1600kVA 6/0,4kV
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Czech Republic Hrušovany u Brna
6,303 km

Cast epoxy resin transformer
ABB1600kVA 6/0,4kV

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Cast resin distribution transformer ALSTOM France 1600kVA 21/0,4kV
Cast resin distribution transformer ALSTOM France 1600kVA 21/0,4kV
Cast resin distribution transformer ALSTOM France 1600kVA 21/0,4kV
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Czech Republic Hrušovany u Brna
6,303 km

Cast resin distribution transformer
ALSTOM France1600kVA 21/0,4kV

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Cast resin epoxy transformers - dry TESAR ITALY 630kVA 10/0,4kV
Cast resin epoxy transformers - dry TESAR ITALY 630kVA 10/0,4kV
Cast resin epoxy transformers - dry TESAR ITALY 630kVA 10/0,4kV
Cast resin epoxy transformers - dry TESAR ITALY 630kVA 10/0,4kV
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Czech Republic Hrušovany u Brna
6,303 km

Cast resin epoxy transformers - dry
TESAR ITALY630kVA 10/0,4kV

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Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  1000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  1000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  1000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  1000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  1000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  1000x1000
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me
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Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel and gray cast iron, former scribing and mea  1000x800
Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel and gray cast iron, former scribing and mea  1000x800
Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel and gray cast iron, former scribing and mea  1000x800
Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel and gray cast iron, former scribing and mea  1000x800
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel and gray cast iron, former scribing and mea
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Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1600
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1600
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1600
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1600
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1600
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate
2000x1600

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Strongly ribbed straightening and welding plate made of steel cast iron/grey cast iron; heavy straig  3050x2000
Strongly ribbed straightening and welding plate made of steel cast iron/grey cast iron; heavy straig  3050x2000
Strongly ribbed straightening and welding plate made of steel cast iron/grey cast iron; heavy straig  3050x2000
Strongly ribbed straightening and welding plate made of steel cast iron/grey cast iron; heavy straig  3050x2000
Strongly ribbed straightening and welding plate made of steel cast iron/grey cast iron; heavy straig  3050x2000
Strongly ribbed straightening and welding plate made of steel cast iron/grey cast iron; heavy straig  3050x2000
Strongly ribbed straightening and welding plate made of steel cast iron/grey cast iron; heavy straig  3050x2000
Strongly ribbed straightening and welding plate made of steel cast iron/grey cast iron; heavy straig  3050x2000
Strongly ribbed straightening and welding plate made of steel cast iron/grey cast iron; heavy straig  3050x2000
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Strongly ribbed straightening and welding plate made of steel cast iron/grey cast iron; heavy straig
3050x2000

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Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1200
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1200
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1200
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate
2000x1200

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Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel/cast iron, former marking and measuring pla SIEGFRIED WEYRAUCH 1000x800
Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel/cast iron, former marking and measuring pla SIEGFRIED WEYRAUCH 1000x800
Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel/cast iron, former marking and measuring pla SIEGFRIED WEYRAUCH 1000x800
Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel/cast iron, former marking and measuring pla SIEGFRIED WEYRAUCH 1000x800
Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel/cast iron, former marking and measuring pla SIEGFRIED WEYRAUCH 1000x800
Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel/cast iron, former marking and measuring pla SIEGFRIED WEYRAUCH 1000x800
Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel/cast iron, former marking and measuring pla SIEGFRIED WEYRAUCH 1000x800
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Straightening and welding plate, heavy ribbed cast steel/cast iron, former marking and measuring pla
SIEGFRIED WEYRAUCH1000x800

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Measuring and scribing plate, strong ribbed cast steel/cast iron, from a measuring machine with hand STIEFELMAYER STM-C-Man
Measuring and scribing plate, strong ribbed cast steel/cast iron, from a measuring machine with hand STIEFELMAYER STM-C-Man
Measuring and scribing plate, strong ribbed cast steel/cast iron, from a measuring machine with hand STIEFELMAYER STM-C-Man
Measuring and scribing plate, strong ribbed cast steel/cast iron, from a measuring machine with hand STIEFELMAYER STM-C-Man
Measuring and scribing plate, strong ribbed cast steel/cast iron, from a measuring machine with hand STIEFELMAYER STM-C-Man
Measuring and scribing plate, strong ribbed cast steel/cast iron, from a measuring machine with hand STIEFELMAYER STM-C-Man
Measuring and scribing plate, strong ribbed cast steel/cast iron, from a measuring machine with hand STIEFELMAYER STM-C-Man
Measuring and scribing plate, strong ribbed cast steel/cast iron, from a measuring machine with hand STIEFELMAYER STM-C-Man
Measuring and scribing plate, strong ribbed cast steel/cast iron, from a measuring machine with hand STIEFELMAYER STM-C-Man
Measuring and scribing plate, strong ribbed cast steel/cast iron, from a measuring machine with hand STIEFELMAYER STM-C-Man
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Measuring and scribing plate, strong ribbed cast steel/cast iron, from a measuring machine with hand
STIEFELMAYERSTM-C-Man

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Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  2000x1000
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate
2000x1000

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Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  2000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  2000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  2000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  2000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  2000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  2000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  2000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  2000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  2000x1000
Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me  2000x1000
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Steel cast/grey cast iron straightening and welding plate, heavily ribbed, formerly a marking and me
2000x1000

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Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  1985 x 1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  1985 x 1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  1985 x 1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  1985 x 1000
Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate  1985 x 1000
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Steel cast grey cast iron alignment and welding plate, heavily ribbed, heavy-duty alignment plate
1985 x 1000

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Table unit from a gantry milling machine, clamping plate with T-slots made of cast steel/cast iron,  DROOP & REIN
Table unit from a gantry milling machine, clamping plate with T-slots made of cast steel/cast iron,  DROOP & REIN
Table unit from a gantry milling machine, clamping plate with T-slots made of cast steel/cast iron,  DROOP & REIN
Table unit from a gantry milling machine, clamping plate with T-slots made of cast steel/cast iron,  DROOP & REIN
Table unit from a gantry milling machine, clamping plate with T-slots made of cast steel/cast iron,  DROOP & REIN
Table unit from a gantry milling machine, clamping plate with T-slots made of cast steel/cast iron,  DROOP & REIN
Table unit from a gantry milling machine, clamping plate with T-slots made of cast steel/cast iron,  DROOP & REIN
Table unit from a gantry milling machine, clamping plate with T-slots made of cast steel/cast iron,  DROOP & REIN
Table unit from a gantry milling machine, clamping plate with T-slots made of cast steel/cast iron,  DROOP & REIN
Table unit from a gantry milling machine, clamping plate with T-slots made of cast steel/cast iron,  DROOP & REIN
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Table unit from a gantry milling machine, clamping plate with T-slots made of cast steel/cast iron,
DROOP & REIN

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Measuring and marking plate made of cast steel grey iron, heavily ribbed, heavy straightening plate, STIEFELMAYER 5000 x 2000
Measuring and marking plate made of cast steel grey iron, heavily ribbed, heavy straightening plate, STIEFELMAYER 5000 x 2000
Measuring and marking plate made of cast steel grey iron, heavily ribbed, heavy straightening plate, STIEFELMAYER 5000 x 2000
Measuring and marking plate made of cast steel grey iron, heavily ribbed, heavy straightening plate, STIEFELMAYER 5000 x 2000
Measuring and marking plate made of cast steel grey iron, heavily ribbed, heavy straightening plate, STIEFELMAYER 5000 x 2000
Measuring and marking plate made of cast steel grey iron, heavily ribbed, heavy straightening plate, STIEFELMAYER 5000 x 2000
Measuring and marking plate made of cast steel grey iron, heavily ribbed, heavy straightening plate, STIEFELMAYER 5000 x 2000
Measuring and marking plate made of cast steel grey iron, heavily ribbed, heavy straightening plate, STIEFELMAYER 5000 x 2000
Measuring and marking plate made of cast steel grey iron, heavily ribbed, heavy straightening plate, STIEFELMAYER 5000 x 2000
Measuring and marking plate made of cast steel grey iron, heavily ribbed, heavy straightening plate, STIEFELMAYER 5000 x 2000
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Germany Hessisch Lichtenau
6,811 km

Measuring and marking plate made of cast steel grey iron, heavily ribbed, heavy straightening plate,
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