Used Horizontal Milling for sale (14,741)

Condition: used, total length: 5,300 mm, total width: 2,600 mm, total height: 3,00,03,500 mm, water tank capacity: 25,000 l, External dimensions: W 2600 mm, H 3000/3500 mm, L 5300 mm. Pgedpfewnn Apjx Akfsk Horizontal stainless steel tanks – 2 units. Manhole at the front 2.5" outlet at the end. AISI 304.

Condition: refurbished (used), 105m3 horizontal steel tank with heating coil Diameter: 2.80m Podpfx Aoxqfwtjkfsgk Length: 17.10m

Condition: used, 50 m3 / 50,000 l horizontal steel tank Diameter: 2.50 m Length: 10 m Weight: 16 t The tank is pressurized. Pgsdpfxextmzxs Akfjk Steel thickness: 20 mm / 2 cm Pressure: up to 20 atmospheres Steel cradles (legs) included

Condition: like new (used), Horizontal carbon steel tanks 73.000l Dim. 3x 11m Cyllinder thickness 8mm Pgedpfxeibh S Ho Akfok Bottom thickness 12mm Equipped with a ladder.

Year of construction: 2001, condition: excellent (used), JAROMA DFOA II MILLING MACHINES Producer JAROMA Machine model / type DFOA II Year of production 2001 Category of machines. MILLING MACHINES Location Gorzów Wlkp. Conditions of delivery PERSONAL COLLECTION Cost of delivery Pgsdpjh S Uhfsfx Akfek Customer cover Startup type to be agreed Description Remarks JAROMA DFOA edge milling machine In stock - Polish production - Year of production 2001 - unpainted The DFOA-II milling machine is designed to mill the excess veneer to the thickness of the rectilinear or curvilinear element. The veneered side must be perpendicular to the surface, it can also be at an angle of 0-45o or rounded with a radius of R 15-20.

Condition: good (used), Protech Horizontal Collator Model: HC2010 Pedpfov T D Dusx Akfogk Plastic belt, belt width: 250 mm Distance between dividers: 200 mm, divider height: 150 mm Clearance: 140 mm x 150 mm Total dimensions: 2900 mm x 560 mm x 1540 mm.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2008, operating hours: 3,858 h, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 705 mm, turning diameter: 275 mm, travel distance X-axis: 260 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 795 mm, controller model: MSX-850III, TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel X-axis: 260 mm Travel Z-axis: 795 mm Turning length: 705 mm Max. turning diameter: 275 mm Swing over bed: 923.8 mm Swing over cross slide: 755 mm Bar work capacity diameter: 80 mm Upper turret Number of tool stations: 12 Main spindle Spindle speed: 4,000 rpm Spindle drive power: 18.5/18.5/15 kW (10 min/30 min/cont) Spindle nose: JIS A2-8 Tailstock Pgodeyz Aq Iopfx Akfjk Tailstock travel: 734 mm Taper: MT5 MACHINE DETAILS CNC control: MSX-850III Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 3,100 x 1,922 x 2,120 mm Weight: 5,800 kg Operating Hours Main spindle hours: 3,858 h Power-on hours: 21,543 EQUIPMENT Chip conveyor Tool measuring arm

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1994, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 14219, travel distance X-axis: 1,250 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 900 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 560 mm, spindle diameter: 75 mm, spindle speed (max.): 1,800 rpm, With digital display of travel distances! TECHNICAL DETAILS X-axis: 1,250 mm Y-axis: 900 mm Z-axis (or W-axis): 560 mm Spindle diameter: 75 mm Spindle speeds: 18–1,800 rpm Table size: 950 mm x 950 mm MACHINE DETAILS Weight: 10,000 kg Pjdpfx Akjy Emq Tsfjgk EQUIPMENT Accessories shown in the photos, including tools, tool cabinets, and clamping devices

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2005, operating hours: 19,229 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 8043943123C, turning length: 1,050 mm, turning diameter: 465 mm, travel distance X-axis: 300 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,050 mm, controller model: Siemens 840 D, TECHNICAL DETAILS Turning diameter: 465 mm Turning length: 1,050 mm Swing diameter: 680 mm Chuck diameter: 325 mm X-axis travel: 300 mm Z-axis travel: 1,050 mm Spindle speed range: 3,500 rpm Pjdsy D I Ttepfx Akfsgk Rapid traverse X/Z: 30 m/min MACHINE DETAILS Control: Siemens 840 D Number of tool positions: 12 positions Tool holder: VDI 40 Weight: 7,500 kg Operating hours Spindle hours: 19,229 h Power-on hours: 81,347 h Note: The machine can be inspected under power upon request.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2010, operating hours: 5,002 h, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 424 mm, turning diameter: 370 mm, travel distance X-axis: 380 mm, bar passage: 52 mm, controller model: FANUC FS-31iA5 (MAPPS 4), TECHNICAL DETAILS Turning length: 424 mm Maximum turning diameter: 370 mm (270 mm with turret 2) Bar capacity: 52 mm Turn-mill spindle Full indexing specifications: Yes X-axis travel: 380 mm Y-axis travel: ±105 mm Z-axis travel: 460 + 155 mm (ATC) B-axis: ±120º Spindle speed: 12,000 rpm Drive power: 9/5.5 kW Tool magazine Magazine positions: 38 Tool holder: Capto C5 Maximum tool length: 250 mm (210 mm for tools under Ø70 mm) Maximum tool diameter: Ø70/Ø130 mm (with/without adjacent tools) Maximum tool weight: 5 kg Pgsdpfsy Edc Hex Akfek Lower Turret X-axis travel: 155 mm Z-axis travel: 610 mm Number of tool stations: 10 Tool rotational speed: 6,000 min⁻¹ Driven tool power: 1.5/1.2 kW Main Spindle Spindle speed: 6,000 rpm Drive power: 11/7.5 kW Spindle bore: 73 mm Chuck type: Hollow chuck (8") Manufacturer: KITAGAWA Spindle nose: JIS A2-5 Maximum torque: 223 Nm Sub Spindle Spindle speed: 1,000 rpm BW axis: 4 fixed positions, 0º, -30º, -180º (-225º for overhang to conveyor, if equipped) MACHINE DETAILS Control: FANUC FS-31iA5 (MAPPS 4) Potential rated output: 39.24 kVA Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 2,705 x 2,425 x 2,385 mm Weight: 8,800 kg Operating Hours Powered on: 54,061 hours Spindle 1 operating hours: 9,813 hours Spindle 2 operating hours: 5,002 hours EQUIPMENT Chip conveyor Signal lamp High-pressure pump Air blower outside the spindle Foot switch (double) for main and sub spindle

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2015, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 5752, travel distance X-axis: 1,250 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 540 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 520 mm, spindle speed (max.): 2,000 rpm, table length: 1,800 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel X-axis: 1,250 mm Travel Y-axis: 540 mm Travel Z-axis: 520 mm Main spindle power: 7.5 kW Spindle speed: 275 - 2,000 rpm Table length: 1,800 mm Table width: 400 mm MACHINE DETAILS Control manufacturer: Heidenhain Number of axes: 3 Tool holder: BT50 Power: 12.0 kW Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 2100 x 2100 x 2200 mm Weight: 3,600 kg Pgedpfx Asy Avvaokfek EQUIPMENT Tools

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2017, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 354, total length: 2,150 mm, total height: 1,600 mm, total width: 850 mm, controller manufacturer: Siemens, Equipment: CE marking, MACHINE DETAILS Control manufacturer: Siemens Control type: CNC Pedpoy Avuvjfx Akfsgk Motor power: 4.0 kW Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 2,150 x 850 x 1,600 mm Transport weight: 800 kg Transport packages: 1 EQUIPMENT Documentation CE marking

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2012, operating hours: 24,101 h, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 1,800 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 800 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 600 mm, controller model: Siemens 840D Shopmill 3 D Formingstar, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, coolant tank capacity: 900 l, The machine is in very good used condition with no outstanding maintenance required! TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel distance in long-operation X-axis: 1,800 mm Travel distance swivel table X-axis: 1,020 mm Travel distance rotary table X-axis: 675 mm Travel distance in pendulum operation: 675/675 mm Travel distance Y-axis: 800 mm Travel distance Z-axis: 600 mm Spindle speed: 12,000 rpm Swivel range: +10° to -100° × ±360° Feed rates X/Y/Z: 40 m/min Rotary-swivel table Rotary table size: Ø 620 × 500 mm Interference circle diameter: Ø 700 mm T-slots: 18 mm T-slot spacing: 100 mm Number of T-slots: 5 Reference keyway: 18H8 Centering bore: 30H7 × 10 mm Swivel range: +10° to -90° × ±360° Swivel speed 90°: 1.2 s Swivel accuracy: < ±10″ Rotary speed: 0–30 rpm Indexing accuracy: < ±6″ Axial runout: 0.015/Ø 300 mm Table load capacity: max. 375 kg Pjdpoy A Rzdsfx Akfegk Fixed machine table Clamping surface: 1,120 x 750 mm Max. tool weight: 10 kg Max. tool length: 330 mm Max. tool diameter: 80 mm (100 mm with adjacent pockets free) Chip-to-chip time approx.: 7.5 - 12 sec. Tool stations: 30 MACHINE DETAILS Internal coolant supply (IKZ): 40 bar Coolant tank capacity: 900 liters Tool holder: SK40 Control: Siemens 840D Shopmill 3D Formingstar Standby magazine Total positions: 190 Levels: 6 Tool length A: max. 240 mm Capacity A: 100 pcs Tool length B: max. 330 mm Capacity B: 90* pcs Tool change time: approx. 17–22 s Space required: 1,780 × 1,760 mm Height: 2,810 mm Weight: approx. 950 kg Spindle hours: 24,101 h Power-on hours: 62,438 h EQUIPMENT 3D touch probe Rotary-swivel table

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1990, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 1,600 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 920 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 950 mm, spindle diameter: 128 mm, controller model: HEIDENHAIN iTNC530, The machine was overhauled and modernized in 2005. Repairs were carried out in 2025. The following work was performed: - Cleaning of the machine - Overhaul and adjustment of machine geometry - Overhaul of machine functionality - Overhaul of electrical equipment Pgedjy Edl Uspfx Akfsk - Overhaul of hydraulics and lubrication - Backlash compensation and drive optimization - Replacement of guideway wipers - Repair of the telescopic cover - Overhaul of the CHOV-K 10 bar tool cooling system - Overhaul of the AVN40 tool changer TECHNICAL DETAILS Main spindle diameter: 128.57 mm Tool holder: ISO 50 Spindle speed range: 5,000 rpm Travel X-axis: 1,600 mm Travel Y-axis: 920 mm Travel Z-axis: 950 mm Clamping surface of table: 850 x 850 mm (850 x 1,600 mm including additional supports) Table load capacity: 3,000 kg MACHINE DETAILS Control: HEIDENHAIN iTNC530 EQUIPMENT - Handwheel - SIEMENS motors and drives - CNC table - full B-axis control - CHOV-K 10 bar - through-spindle cooling – emulsion - ATC40 - automatic tool changer - Operator console protected against chips and coolant - Workpiece cover

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1983, operating hours: 8,529 h, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 1,200 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,120 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 950 mm, table load: 3,000 kg, spindle diameter: 100 mm, The machine was modernised and overhauled in 2002! TECHNICAL DETAILS Working spindle diameter: 100 mm Spindle speed range: 1,800 rpm Taper: ISO 50 Spindle travel (W): 630 mm Travel X-axis: 1,200 mm Travel Y-axis: 1,120 mm Travel Z-axis: 950 mm Table clamping surface: 1,000 mm x 1,120 mm Table load capacity: 3,000 kg MACHINE DETAILS Control system: HEIDENHAIN TNC426 Pgodpfoy Edgfsx Akfok Motors and drives: SIEMENS Operating hours (as displayed): Control system on-time: 37,038 h Machine operating time: 30,987 h Program run time: 8,529 h Spindle run time: 12,156 h EQUIPMENT Handwheel: HR410

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2008, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 850 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 700 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 750 mm, table load: 500 kg, spindle speed (max.): 14,000 rpm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel X-axis: 850 mm Travel Y-axis: 700 mm Travel Z-axis: 750 mm Distance spindle nose to table surface: 50 - 750 mm Pedjy Edarspfx Akfogk Distance spindle nose to table center: 150 - 900 mm Pallet dimensions: 500 mm x 500 mm Table load capacity: 500 kg Pallet clamping surface: 24 x M16 x D 2.0 Table indexing angle: 1° Spindle speed: 14,000 rpm Spindle taper: ISO 40 Max. spindle torque (25% duty cycle): 220.5 Nm Rapid traverse (X, Y, Z): 60 m/min Working feed rate: 30,000 mm/min Tool holder type: MAS403 BT40 Magazine capacity: 120 tools Max. tool length: 400 mm Max. tool weight: 10 kg Tool change time (tool-to-tool): 1 sec Tool change time (chip-to-chip): 3.5 sec Number of pallets: 7 Type: Rotary shuttle Pallet change time: 7.5 sec Pallet rotation at loading station: 90° MACHINE DETAILS Spindle motor (30 min rating): 18.5 / 22 kW Axis motors (X, Y, Z, B): 7.0 / 7.0 / 7.0 / 2.7 kW Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 5,600 x 2,700 x 3,000 mm Machine weight: 15,000 kg EQUIPMENT High-pressure through-spindle coolant 35 bar Chip extraction Operating manuals CE Declaration

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1999, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 144205, turning length: 2,500 mm, controller model: MAZATROL PC-Fusion CNC 640MT, Equipment: chip conveyor, TECHNICAL DETAILS Turning length: 2,500 mm MACHINE DETAILS Control: MAZATROL PC-Fusion CNC 640MT Tool magazine: 30 tool stations EQUIPMENT High-pressure coolant system Driven tools Chip conveyor Measuring probe/tool measurement Steadies (lunettes) Pgodpfsy Dp Acsx Akfsk Note: A minor repair has been carried out on the machine. The repair certificate is attached.

Condition: ready for operation (used), functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 5,300 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 2,000 mm, spindle speed (max.): 1,800 rpm, table length: 7,000 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel range X-axis: 5,300 mm Travel range Y-axis: 1,500 mm Travel range Z-axis: 2,000 mm Table size: 7,000 x 1,000 mm Pjdpfx Aoy Dg I Njkfjgk Tool holder: SK 50 Spindle speeds: 12.5 – 1,800 rpm Spindle motor: 22 kW Feed rate range: 6 – 10,000 mm/min Rapid traverse: 15 m/min Number of tool changer positions: 24 MACHINE DETAILS Total power requirement: 70 kW Dimensions & Weight Space requirements: approx. 8.7 x 4.7 x 4.1 m Machine weight: approx. 30 t EQUIPMENT Electronic handwheel Automatic swivelling milling head, vertical/horizontal 2 x 180° Milling head swivels automatically in the rear axis 72 x 5° Automatic tool changer (ATC 24) Coolant system Extended cross travel (Y-axis) 1,500 mm Extended vertical travel (Z-axis) 2,000 mm

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2008, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 1,585 mm, turning diameter: 300 mm, controller model: Siemens 840D Powerline, number of slots in tool magazine: 120, No minimum price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! TECHNICAL DETAILS Pjdpfey Dqtisx Akfogk Turning length: 1,585 mm Turning diameter: 300 mm Tool magazine capacity: 120 positions MACHINE DETAILS Control: Siemens 840D Powerline EQUIPMENT Sub spindle C-axis Hollow clamping device (diameter 68 mm) on main spindle, left Measuring device with probe Oil mist separator

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2019, operating hours: 2,770 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: NL257181158, turning length: 705 mm, travel distance X-axis: 260 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 50 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 795 mm, swing diameter over cross slide: 742 mm, swing diameter over bed slide: 920 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Working Area Swing diameter over bed max.: 920 mm Swing diameter over cross slide max.: 742 mm Turning length max.: 705 mm Bar capacity: 80 mm X-axis travel: 260 mm Y-axis travel: 50 mm Pgjdpfsy A Nf Iox Akfjk Z-axis travel: 795 mm Main Spindle Power: 18.5/15 kW Max. speed: 4,000 rpm Chuck size: 10 inch Spindle bore: 91 mm Front bearing diameter: 140 mm Sub Spindle Power: 11/7.5 kW Max. speed: 4,000 rpm Chuck size: 6 inch Spindle bore: 45 mm Front bearing diameter: 85 mm Turret and Axes Tool stations: 12 Tool shank cross-section: 25 mm Max. driven tool speed: 10,000 rpm Rapid traverse X-axis: 30,000 mm/min Rapid traverse Y-axis: 10,000 mm/min Rapid traverse Z-axis: 30,000 mm/min Rapid traverse B-axis: 30,000 mm/min MACHINE DETAILS Control: M730UM with CELOS Operating hours: 2,770 h Power-on hours: 10,820 h Dimensions & Weight Machine height: 2,000 mm Installation dimensions: 3,347 x 2,106 mm Weight: 5,820 kg EQUIPMENT Y-axis Sub spindle Main spindle with 10-inch chuck Sub spindle with 6-inch chuck Chip conveyor High-pressure coolant system Tool measuring system Parts catcher Workpiece ejector Interface for bar loader

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2004, operating hours: 60,425 h, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 1,050 mm, turning diameter: 465 mm, travel distance X-axis: 300 mm, chuck outer diameter: 325 mm, controller model: Fanuk Series 21I-TB, TECHNICAL DETAILS Max. turning length: 1,050 mm Turning diameter over cross slide: 350 mm Max. turning diameter: 465 mm Chuck diameter: 325 mm X-axis travel: 300 mm Z-axis travel: 1,050 mm Max. spindle speed: 3,500 rpm Max. torque: 630 Nm Spindle bearing diameter: 120 mm Max. bar diameter: 90 mm Tailstock stroke: 850 mm Quill stroke: 150 mm Rapid traverse X/Z axis: 30 m/min Number of tool turret positions: 12 Tool holder: VDI 40 Podsy Hg S Hspfx Akfjgk MACHINE DETAILS Control: Fanuk Series 21I-TB Drive power: 33 kW

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2006, operating hours: 16,093 h, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 1,000 mm, spindle speed (max.): 5,000 rpm, controller model: MITSUBISHI M-720BM (MAPPS 2), counter spindle speed (max.): 5,000 rpm, milling spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Turning length: 1,000 mm Main Spindle Max. spindle speed: 5,000 rpm Drive power: 22/15 kW Spindle bore: 73 mm Counter Spindle Max. spindle speed: 5,000 rpm Drive power: 22/15 kW Spindle bore: 73 mm Milling spindle speed: 0 - 12,000 rpm Tool holder: Capto C6 Tool stations: 100 positions Hollow clamping device: 67 mm MACHINE DETAILS Control unit: MITSUBISHI M-720BM (MAPPS 2) Operating Hours Pgsdpey Eydyefx Akfok Operating hours: 26,875 h Spindle hours: 16,093 h EQUIPMENT Y-axis Fully indexable B-axis Chip conveyor, discharge right Standard coolant system Interface for high-pressure coolant system, 70 bar Tool spindle with through-spindle cooling Coolant spray gun Blow air through sub spindle Manual tool presetting on main spindle 3-color signal tower Double foot switch Simultaneous 5-axis machining Automatic power off Tool offset for 5-axis machining Programmable data input Dynamic interchange diameter/radius Stroke check prior to movement

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2008, travel distance X-axis: 1,050 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 800 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 880 mm, controller model: Fanuc Oi-MC, KAFO HMC 630 HMC Category: HORIZONTAL MACHINING CENTERS (HMC) Reference No.: 400234 Capacity: 630 X 630 MM Year of Construction: 2008 Technical Specification: SPINDLE Spindle Taper : CAT 50 WORKING CAPACITY Pgjdpfx Akoy D E Syofok Pallet Size : 630 x 630 mm Travels (XYZ) : X1050 x Y800 x Z880 mm B-Axis : 0.001° Distance from spindle nose to table center : 150 - 1030 mm Distance from spindle center to pallet surface : 100 - 900 mm Table Load Capacity : 1200 kg Max. Work Size : Ø1050 mm ATC Tool Change Capacity : 40 Maximum Tool Weight : 20 Kg CNC Control : Fanuc Oi-MC

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1997, Manufacturer: Line Type: Seramill 240 Control: NUM 750 Travel X: 6000 mm Travel Y: 2500 mm Travel Z: 950 mm Column spacing: 2400 mm Table: 6000 x 2100 mm Automatic milling head: 2.5° Spindle speed: 3200 rpm Feed rate: 10 m/min Machine weight: approx. 35 tons Pgjdpfxsyf A H Ne Akfsk

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), Year of construction: 2026, operating hours: 10 h, functionality: fully functional, High-end 5-axis flipping machine for aluminum structural components available at short notice. 90–95% completed, available for on-site demonstration under power. Delivery approx. 3 months. For sale is a state-of-the-art horizontal 5-axis flipping machine (HM2040AL-AC), specifically designed for machining large-format, thin-walled aluminum structural components in the aerospace sector. The machine is approximately 90–95% completed, installed at the factory, and can be inspected under real machining conditions. 👉 This machine platform has already been installed more than 80 times. Highlights - Available at short notice (delivery time approx. 3 months) - High-end configuration (Fischer / Siemens / Heidenhain) - Full 5-axis machining in a single setup - Integrated flipping system (90° rotation) - Ideal for aerospace aluminum structures - Very attractive price-performance ratio - Includes 2 pallets sized 2000 x 4000 mm, setup station, and rotary table Technical Data - Travel: 4300 / 2200 / 650 mm - Table size: 4000 × 2000 mm - Max. load: 4000 kg - Rapid traverse: 50 m/min - Feed rate: 30 m/min - Positioning accuracy: up to 0.008 mm - Repeatability: up to 0.004 mm Spindle - Fischer (Switzerland) - 30,000 rpm - 125 kW - 66 Nm - HSK-A63 - ICS 70 bar Features - 5-axis torque motor swiveling head (zero-backlash) - Siemens SINUMERIK 840D sl - 60-position tool magazine - Closed-loop measuring system (Heidenhain) - Automatic flipping system - High-pressure cooling - Chip conveyor & central lubrication Options - Renishaw laser tool measurement - Workpiece probe Psdpfjy H Ncbox Akfogk - Ultrasonic thickness measurement (≤10 µm) - Vacuum clamping system - Spindle thermal compensation - R-TEST calibration system Including setup station and pallets! German service, spare parts warehouse, etc.