Used Okuma Lr 15 for sale (231)

Condition: used, turning diameter 260 mm turning length 280 mm control OSP500 1. Machine Specifications Item Unit Specification Number of controlled axes – 2 Swing diameter over bed mm Ø 450 Swing diameter over slide mm Ø 350 Swing diameter over cross slide mm Ø 300 Maximum turning diameter × length mm Ø 260 × 280 Spindle diameter mm Ø 100 Spindle nose – JIS A2-6 Spindle taper mm Ø 70 × 1/10 Spindle bore mm Ø 62 Spindle speed range rpm 35 – 4,000 Nedpfswm Rrdsx Ah Rekw Z-axis travel mm 320 Z-axis rapid traverse mm/min 20,000 X-axis travel mm 155 X-axis rapid traverse mm/min 15,000 Turret type – V Number of tools – 8 (optional 12) Tool size (external turning) mm ¦ 25 Tool size (internal turning) mm Ø 40 (optional Ø 32)

Condition: good (used), Parts shown by hand not come. Nsdpfxeyb R Ers Ah Rjkw

Condition: ready for operation (used), Three Okuma CNC horizontal lathes are available. 1) Okuma LB 15 M. 2) Okuma LB 15. 3) Okuma LB 15 W. The Okuma LB 15 W is defective. On-site inspection is possible. Individual sale possible. Nkodpfx Aewmdv Noh Rjw

Year of construction: 1988, condition: ready for operation (used), Turning diameter over bed/slide: 520mm/340mm, turning length: 850mm, speed: 3500rpm, spindle bore: 70mm, chuck diameter: 315mm, bar capacity: 70mm. Machine weight: approx. 7500kg, control: OSP 500L. Documentation available. On-site inspection is possible. Nkjdpjwz N Tcofx Ah Row

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1998, operating hours: 7,984 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 1408, turning length: 250 mm, turning diameter: 340 mm, spindle speed (max.): 4,500 rpm, bar passage: 65 mm, controller model: Okuma OSP7000L, No reserve price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! TECHNICAL DETAILS Maximum turning diameter: 340 mm Maximum turning length: 250 mm Main Spindle Technology: Motor spindle Speed: 4,500 rpm Power (max.): 22 kW Bar capacity: 65 mm Workpiece clamping: 3-jaw chuck, Kitagawa B-210 Tool Turret I (X/Z) Technology: 12-station turret Tool holder: VDI40 Travel in X: 260 mm Travel in Z: 640 mm Rapid traverse in X: 15 m/min Rapid traverse in Z: 20 m/min Tool Turret II (X/Z) Technology: 8-station turret Tool holder: VDI40 Travel in X: 140 mm Travel in Z: 615 mm Rapid traverse in X: 15 m/min Rapid traverse in Z: 20 m/min MACHINE DETAILS Nkedpfox Hx Dnex Ah Row Control: Okuma OSP7000L Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 3,305 x 2,100 x 1,927 mm Weight: 4,800 kg Electrical connection data Rated voltage: 400 V Number of phases: 3 Frequency: 50 Hz Power consumption: max. 30 kVA Total current: 43.4 A Motor current: max. 106 A Operating Hours Power-on hours: 36,348 h Cutting time: 7,984 h Spindle run time: 8,674 h EQUIPMENT Chip conveyor Coolant pump Automatic measuring arm Transformer

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1997, Technically in good condition and functional. Year of manufacture 1997. Max. turning diameter 250 mm. Max. diameter over bed 530 mm. Max. turning length 500 mm. Length x Width x Height approx. 3315 mm, 1895 mm, 1900 mm. Nkedpfx Ajwn Dbnoh Rjw Machine weight approx. 6 tons.

Condition: repair required (used), turning length: 400 mm, spindle bore: 75 mm, spindle speed (max.): 3,800 rpm, General information about the machine We are offering a used lathe from the manufacturer Okuma. The machine is offered as a spare parts carrier. The machine is running but not all functions can be guaranteed. The keys for operation are missing. The machine is in our warehouse and can be inspected under power Technical data - CNC control: OSP 5000L-G CNC system (German) - Tool turret: 12 positions - Lathe chuck: 250 mm - Spindle: 70-3800 rpm (11 kW, 30 min; 7.5 kW - continuous operation) - Spindle bore diameter: 75 mm - X-axis travel: 400 x 0.001 mm - Z-axis travel: 500 x 0.001 mm - Cutting speed XZ: 0.01-1000 mm / U - Rapid traverse up to: 12,000 mm / min. - Power supply: 380V - Rated power of the machine: 21 kVA - Maximum load current: 36A - Machine dimensions (width x depth x height): 3.9 m (with chip conveyor) x 1.8 x 1.8 m - Machine weight: 4500 kg Nksdpougmzkofx Ah Row

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1998, functionality: fully functional, OKUMA LCC15, OSP 700L, collet chuck, chip conveyor, coolant pump, touch setter, chip conveyor, parts catcher, V12 turret direct mounting. A very compact and efficient machine for bar stock workpieces. Njdpfx Ahoyq S E So Rjkw * The LNS bar feeder is included free of charge with the machine, but it is not part of the sale and must be electronically serviced by an LNS technician.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1997, spindle speed (max.): 6,000 rpm, travel distance X-axis: 240 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 240 mm, spindle motor power: 15,000 W, number of axes: 4, This 4-axis Okuma LB15i-M was manufactured in 1997. It features a spindle speed of up to 6000 rpm and a spindle power of approximately 15 kW. The machine includes 5 motorized front tools and 2 radial tools, providing versatile machining capabilities. If you are looking to get high-quality turning capabilities, consider the Okuma LB15i-M horizontal turning machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Turret positions: 12 • Driven tools: Yes (5 front + 2 radial) • Tailstock: No Nsdpfx Ajywu Sish Rekw • Distance between centers: 500–1000 mm • Spindle nose: JIS A2-6 Technical Specification Counter Spindle No Driven Tools Yes

Condition: excellent (used), Travels: X-axis: 155 mm Z-axis: 320 mm Swing diameter over bed: 450 mm Swing diameter over carriage (slide): 350 mm Maximum turning diameter: 270 mm Maximum turning length: 500 mm Spindle speed, infinitely variable: 75 – 3500 rpm Spindle motor: 7.5 kW Tool turret: 12 stations Dimensions (L x H x W): 2200 x 1635 x 1670 mm Nkodpfx Ajyvy Uteh Rjw Weight: 3800 kg

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1989, functionality: fully functional, type of input current: three-phase, We are offering this ready-to-use Okuma LB15 CNC lathe, year of manufacture 1989. Noted defects: The seal on the Plexiglas door should be replaced over time. The machine is still in operation and can therefore be inspected and tested on site. Nkedeyw Hniepfx Ah Row Manufacturer: Okuma Model: LB15 Year of manufacture: 1989 Mains voltage: 380 V Number of phases: 3 Rated power: 21 kVA Frequency: 50 Hz Total rated current: 36 A Maximum motor current: 28 A Breaking capacity: 7.5 kA Circuit diagram no.: W5000-118-068 Serial number: 5813 If you have any questions or need further information, please feel free to send us a message or call us.

Condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, Commissioning: as Okuma stock machine 09.2017 Control OSP P300S Machine Equipment ▪ Enlarged main spindle KK size 11 Front bearing Ø 160 mm Speed range 3,000 rpm Bore Ø 112 mm Motor with 32 kW output Torque 955 Nm ▪ Hollow clamping cylinder Ø 127 mm SMW VNK 320-127 with bore Ø 127 mm ▪ Pressure reducing valve Adjustable range 8-70 bar ▪ Tailstock ▪ Turning length approx. 1500 mm ▪ H1 turret (1 station) ▪ Y-axis ▪ B-axis 0.001° ▪ 40-station tool magazine ▪ Additionally: lower turret with 12 stations ▪ Tool spindle 12,000 rpm ▪ Hinged belt chip conveyor: high-performance chip conveyor with low-maintenance self-cleaning function ▪ Drum sump filter TMF300 with clean tank 980 l ▪ Supply pump TC160/740, 8 bar ▪ Supply pump RSP 20/32-070-1-1-0, 70 bar ▪ Self-centering steady rest on the lower turret (not possible in combination with driven tools for the lower turret) ▪ Automatic door ▪ Robot interface type E for connecting other loading and unloading systems to single-spindle machines ▪ 3D machine model for simulation in a CAM system Technical Details ▪ Main drive (Okuma motor spindle): 22 kW / 700 Nm / 50–4,200 rpm Spindle nose KK size 8 Front spindle bearing Ø 140 mm Spindle bore Ø 91 mm Speed range: 2-stage Range switching at full speed ▪ Lower turret: 12 stations In ZB-axis with cylindrical roller guide In XB-axis with slide guide ▪ Real-time collision avoidance system CAS ▪ 19" color LCD TFT (1280x1024) with 3D color graphics as touchscreen/panel with vertical display and tiltable keyboard (adjustable angle) ▪ Second operating system Windows 7 for operation and data communication, open and freely usable for Windows 7 compatible applications ▪ Programmable tailstock on W-axis with hydraulic quill ▪ Tool magazine 40 stations ▪ C-axis 360° Positioning in 0.001° steps ▪ Y-axis with travel +150/-150 = 300 mm ▪ B-axis 240° Positioning in 0.001° steps ▪ Tool spindle (Okuma motor spindle): 22 kW / 120 Nm / 12,000 rpm ▪ Internal coolant supply for rotating tools, pump with max. pressure 20 bar Including bag filter, external cooling tool spindle, pump with max. pressure 3 bar ▪ Tool system HSK-A63 ▪ Tool monitoring system for tool life and breakage ▪ Tool measurement system (with standard chuck) for safe setup ▪ Machine management MacMan with integrated BDE (operating data acquisition) ▪ Parts program memory 2 GB ▪ Max. length individual part program 2 MB ▪ 2 USB 2.0 ports ▪ Ethernet interface with browser and DNC-T1 for program transfer ▪ Harmonic speed oscillation via periodic speed change ▪ Tool height correction in Y-axis for turning tools ▪ Circular thread milling X/Z/Y/B (helical interpolation) Nsdpsyviigefx Ah Rjkw Including eccentric milling X/Y/C ▪ Hi-Cut Pro high-speed control for rotating tools ▪ 10 workpiece zero points (coordinate system selection) ▪ Coordinate conversion (shift, rotate) ▪ Electronic spindle orientation + / - 0.1°

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2014, CNC Turning and Milling Center Okuma Multus U4000 2SW 1500 Control: OSP-P 300 S-H Year of manufacture: 2014 Spindle hours: approx. 2,050 h Travels: X-axis: 695 mm Y-axis travel: +150/-150 = 300 mm Nkedpsyk Tq Aefx Ah Rsw Z-axis: 1,600 mm B-axis: 240°, positioning in 0.001° increments C-axis: 360°, positioning in 0.001° increments W-axis: 1,524 mm Turning diameter: 650 mm Turning length: 1,500 mm Spindle mounting: HSK 63 Total tool stations: 40 Accessories: XA and YA axes equipped with direct absolute measuring system (Okuma ABSO-Scale) In-process measurement with Renishaw probe for X/Z axes Measurement in Y-axis including angled axis measurement Kitagawa B215A11 max. 2,800 rpm Kitagawa B210A8 max. 4,200 rpm Kitagawa F 2596-H01 hollow chuck cylinder Ø96 mm One-Touch IGF Multi-function tool software Harmonic spindle speed vibration control Simultaneous 5-axis machining software package Chip conveyor Coolant tank with 70 bar high-pressure pump

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2014, CNC Turning and Milling Center Okuma Multus U4000 1SC 1500 BigBore Control: OSP-P 300S Year of manufacture: 2014 X-axis: 695 mm Y-axis travel: +150/-150 = 300 mm Z-axis: 1,600 mm B-axis: 240°, positioning in 0.001° increments C-axis: 360°, positioning in 0.001° increments Turning diameter: 650 mm Turning length: 1,500 mm Spindle interface: Capto C6 Total tool stations: 80 Nedpfxjyk Ddgj Ah Rjkw Equipment: - NC tailstock - Travelling hydraulic steady rest AX 5 on NC axis - Coolant system with band filter - Kitagawa BB 212-11 hydraulic 3-jaw chuck - Automatic tool touch setter - High-pressure coolant system (IKZ) - Software option High Cut Pro (High-accuracy package with Super Nurbs) - CAS collision avoidance system - Main spindle orientation, electric - Multitool with turning function for Y-axis - Helix function - Automatic main power shut-off - DNC-DT interface - Machining Navi M-i (milling), speed control to minimize vibration - One-Touch IGF - Chip conveyor

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1996, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 1,000 mm, turning diameter: 350 mm, travel distance X-axis: 260 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,020 mm, CNC Lathe Manufacturer: Okuma Model: LB15 II-M 1SC-1000 Year of Manufacture: 1996 Control: OSP-7000L Country of Origin: Japan Delivery: Ex-stock Machine Features - Long turning length - Tailstock - Chip conveyor - Live tooling - One touch - IGF - Touch setter Technical Specifications - Working Areas - Swing diameter: 340 mm - Max. turning diameter: 350 mm (chuck work) - Max. turning length: 1000 mm Travel Distances - X-axis: 260 mm - Z-axis: 1020 mm Spindle - Speed: 45~4500 rpm - Standard spindle bore diameter: 62 mm - Spindle front bearing bore diameter: 100 mm - Chuck passage: 52 mm Turret - Number of stations: 12 - Tool holder: VDI40 - Indexing time station to station: 0.1 sec Feed Rates - Rapid traverse X/Z: 15,000/20,000 mm/min Tailstock Nkedpfx Ahoyrtkrs Rew - Quill diameter: 90 mm - Quill stroke: 120 mm Main Drive - Spindle motor: 15/11 kW Machine Dimensions: approx. 3315 x 1895 mm Machine Height: approx. 1905 mm Weight: approx. 5700 kg Optional - Transport organization and handling - Machine installation and setup - Commissioning of the machine

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2001, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 1,000 mm, turning diameter: 340 mm, total height: 2,230 mm, total length: 4,300 mm, total width: 2,200 mm, overall weight: 7,900 kg, Machine type: CNC Lathe Manufacturer: Okuma Model: LU15-MY Year of manufacture: 2001 Commissioned: 2002 Control: OSP-U100L Country of origin: Japan Availability: ex-stock Machine Equipment: ▪ Conversational programming IGF ▪ Towable tailstock ▪ Driven tools – 12 stations on the A turret ▪ C-axis ▪ Y-axis ▪ Tool setter (touchsetter) ▪ Preparation for steady rest on B turret ▪ Hollow clamping device ▪ Signal tower ▪ Mayfran chip conveyor Technical Details: • Max. turning diameter: 340 mm • Max. turning length: 1000 mm • Travel X-axis: upper 260 mm (170+90); lower 140 mm (90+50) • Travel Z-axis: upper 1,040 mm; lower 1,015 mm • C-axis travel: 360° • Spindle – number of gear steps: 2 – automatic • Bore diameter: 62 mm Nodpeypkl Ujfx Ah Rjkw • A turret (upper): 12 tools, all suitable for driven tools, VDI 40 • B turret (lower): 8 tools, VDI 40 • Rotating tools speed: 45~4500 rpm • Rapid traverse feed rate: mm/min X: 15,000 / Z: 20,000 / C: 200 min⁻¹ • Tailstock quill diameter: 90 mm • Tailstock quill stroke: approx. 100–120 mm ▪ Machine dimensions incl. chip conveyor (LxW): approx. 4300 x 2200 mm ▪ Machine height: approx. 2230 mm ▪ Weight: approx. 7,900 kg Optional: ▪ Transport organization and execution ▪ Machine installation and setup ▪ Machine commissioning

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, Swing diameter over bed: Ø 450 mm Swing diameter over carriage: Ø 280 mm Max. swing diameter: Ø 280 mm Turning length: 450 mm Distance between centers: 450 mm Speed range: stepless variable, approx. 50 – 5000 rpm Nkedpfx Ahjxg Itvo Rsw Turret: 1x 8 tool positions 1x 12 tool positions Tool system: VDI-30 Travels: X-axis travel: 120 + 25 mm Z-axis travel: 450 mm Rapid traverse: 12 m/min Motors & Electrical: Spindle motor: approx. 5.5 / 7.5 kW (continuous / 30 min) Total connected load: 29 kVA Power supply: 380V, 3-phase, 50 Hz Full load current: 44 A Weight & Dimensions: Machine weight: approx. 4,800 kg Dimensions (L×W×H): 2,985 × 1,720 × 1,850 mm

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2006, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 127690, turning length: 150 mm, turning diameter: 220 mm, Equipment: documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, Machine regularly serviced, in excellent condition. If interested, we have two more identical machines available. Nkjdoxr Tzcspfx Ah Row

Condition: ready for operation (used), Okuma DC-S1A DC Power Supply 4 Axes CZ-270C , serial no. according to photo ,used, normal signs of use, 100% functional Njdpfx Ahji Ecanj Rskw

Condition: ready for operation (used), Okuma Opus 5000 II Main Board II A E4809-045-086-A / 1911-1509-44-90, serial number as per photo, used, normal signs of wear, 100% functional, scope of delivery as per photos Nkedpfx Aei Eca Doh Rjw

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2014, functionality: fully functional, Ref. No.: LT-2418 Manufacturer: Okuma Model: Multus U3000 1SW-1500 Control: Okuma OSP-P300S-H Year of manufacture: 2014 Commissioning: 2.015 Language Keyboards / Software: International / English Country of origin: Japan Technical Characteristics: Capacity: Turning on bed: Ø 650 mm Distance between points: 1.500 mm Maximum turning diameter: Ø 650 mm Maximum turning length: 1.500 mm Bar pitch (main spindle): Ø 70 mm Bar passage (opposite spindle): Ø 70 mm Main spindle: Spindle diameter: Ø 140 mm Spindle nose (type): JIS A2-8 Spindle inside diameter: Ø 80 mm Speed ranges: 2 ranges, infinitely variable Spindle speed: 50 - 4.200 rpm Motor: 22/15 kW (30 min/cont) Opposing spindle: Spindle diameter: Ø 140 mm Spindle nose (type): JIS A2-8 Spindle inside diameter: Ø 80 mm Speed range: 2 ranges, infinitely variable Spindle speed: 50 - 4.200 rpm Motor: 22/15 kW (30 min/cont) X-axis: Stroke: 645 mm Rapid traverse: 50.000 mm/min Z axis: Stroke: 1,600 mm Rapid traverse: 50.000 mm/min Y-axis: Stroke: 250 [± 125] mm Rapid traverse: 40,000 mm/min Njdpou U E Avofx Ah Rskw W-axis: Stroke: 1,594 mm Rapid traverse: 30.000 mm/min B axis: Controlled angle: -30° to +210° (increment 0.001°) Rapid traverse: 30 rev/min C axis: Controlled angle: 360° (0.0001° increment) Rapid traverse: 200 rpm Turret: Type: H1 Number of tools: 1 (L or M tool) Tool dimensions: Turning outside: 25 x 25 mm Turning inside: Ø 40 mm Milling head: Spindle speed: 50 - 12.000 rpm Speed ranges: 2 speed ranges, infinitely variable Motor: 25/19 kW (3 min/cont) Tool changer (ATC): Cone Toolholder: HSK-A63 Number of tools: 40 Max. diameter of adjacent tools: ø 90 mm Maximum diameter of non-adjacent tools: ø 130 mm Maximum tool length: 400 mm Maximum weight of each tool: 10 Kgf Dimensions and weights: Height of the machine: 2.905 mm Occupied floor area: 4,480 x 2,995 mm (4,480 x 2,995 mm) Machine weight: 16,200 kg

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1988, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: M08L/8356, Offer Number: M08L/8356 Machinetype: 4 die - 4 blow transfer header Info: bushing cut-off , PKO Make: ASAHI OKUMA Nkedpfswi S A Ajx Ah Rsw Type: AF1513-4 Constr. year: 1988 diameter range: 7-15 mm number of dies: 4 number of stations (incl. cut off): 5 cutting length: 10-160 mm shaft length under head: 15-130 mm output - pieces/min: 130 press power: 150 to Location: In our warehouse

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1998, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 0014, turning length: 1,500 mm, turning diameter over cross slide: 610 mm, travel distance X-axis: 598 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 230 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,660 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel Distances X-axis travel: 598 mm Y-axis travel: 230 mm Z-axis travel: 1,660 mm C-axis: 0.001 Turning Length: 1,500 mm Swing diameter over cross slide: 610 mm Swing diameter: 580 mm Spindle Spindle motor power: 30,000 W Spindle speed (min.): 14 rpm Spindle speed (max.): 3,200 rpm Spindle bore: 90 mm Spindle bearing diameter: 130 mm Spindle nose: JIS A2-11 Rapid Traverse Rapid traverse (Z-axis): 20 m/min Rapid traverse (X/Y): 12,000 mm/min Rapid traverse (C): 100 min^-1 Cutting feed rate X/Z/Y: 0.001 - 1,000 mm/rev Tools Tool magazine positions: 32 pos. Tool holder: MAS BT 50 Max. tool diameter: 170 mm Nsdpfxsxqyikj Ah Rjkw Max. tool length: 350 mm Max. tool weight: 20 kg Turret type: H2 ATC Tool stations: 2 (1x L-Tool / 1x M-Tool) Driven tool stations: stepless Spindle speed – driven tool stations: 40 - 3,000 rpm Tailstock Quill diameter: 120 mm Quill stroke: 170 mm Centre taper: MT 5 MACHINE DETAILS CNC Control: OSP 7000L Total power requirement: 53 kVA Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 5.3 x 3.2 x 3.0 m Machine weight: 18,500 kg EQUIPMENT Chip conveyor

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2015, machine/vehicle number: 190630, turning length: 150 mm, turning diameter: 200 mm, spindle bore: 42 mm, spindle speed (max.): 4,500 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 50 rpm, travel distance X-axis: 150 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 155 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 24 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 24 m/min, turning diameter over bed slide: 220 mm, overall weight: 5,000 kg, spindle nose: 140 Flat, bar diameter (max.): 51 mm, power: 0.015 kW (0.02 HP), The innovative front-facing spindle of the 2SP-150H helps create an automation-friendly lathe for small parts production. By moving the spindle off the side and incorporating the Okuma Gantry Loader (OGL) into the production line, parts can be loaded and unloaded automatically. An extremely compact footprint improves floor space utilization, while the popular dual spindle option significantly reduces cycle time. Equipped with: Okuma OSP-P300L CNC Control 8" 3-Jaw Chuck Expanding Mandrel Turret Tooling Gantry Loader Pendant Controller Chip Auger Stack Light Nkedpfxjrtrlzs Ah Row

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2024, functionality: fully functional, turning diameter over cross slide: 410 mm, turning length: 515 mm, turning diameter: 520 mm, spindle bore: 66 mm, spindle speed (max.): 5,000 rpm, travel distance X-axis: 250 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 565 mm, overall weight: 4,400 kg, One-Touch IGF (soru-cevap diyalog programlama özelliği var) 2024 model OKUMA LB3000EXII CNC TORNA KONTROL OSP-P300LA KATALOGUNU EKLEDİK İNCELİYEBİLİRSİNİZ. 2 EKSEN ÇEVİRME ÇAPI 520 MM İŞLEME ÇAPI 410mm İŞLEME BOYU 515 mm FENERMİLİ DELİK ÇAPI 66 mm Njdpfx Asywhfish Rjkw PUNTA KONİGİ MT-5 PROGRAMLI PUNTA VAR 5000 DEVİR AGIRLIGI 4400 KĞ Almanya ve Fransa' da referans verebiliriz.