Used panel saws with a cutting length from 4000 to 4999mm for sale (82)

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2018, cutting length (max.): 4,300 mm, Panel saw manufactured in 2018. This HOMAG PROFI HPP 300 / 43 / 43 features a cutting length of 4,300 mm and a cutting width of approximately 4,250 mm. It has a maximum saw carriage feed speed of 130 m/min and a maximum saw blade diameter of 350 mm. If you are looking to get high-quality panel cutting capabilities, consider the HOMAG PROFI HPP 300 / 43 / 43 machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Cutting width (programmable pusher): approx. 4,250 mm • Max. saw carriage feed speed: 130 m/min (optional up to 150 m/min) • Saw blade projection: 80 mm (optional 95 mm) • Max. saw blade diameter: 350 mm • Main saw blade diameter: 350–380 mm (depending on configuration) • Main saw motor: 11 kW • Scoring saw motor: adjustable, 1.5–2.2 kW • Clamps: 7 units (2-finger design) • Control system: CADMATIC 4.1 / 4.5 or powerTouch (depending on configuration) Dkjdpfezdignjx Adrer • Total connected load: approx. 18.4 kW • Compressed air: 6 bar • CE marking: Yes • Stack height: up to approx. 80 mm (standard) • Extraction capacity requirement: approx. 3,350–5,230 m³/h • Processing: Single panels and stack cuts

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2004, cutting height (max.): 125 mm, cutting width (max.): 4,300 mm, cutting length (max.): 2,200 mm, table length: 2,500 mm, table width: 1,000 mm, No minimum price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! The machine must be collected between June 10, 2026, and June 30, 2026! TECHNICAL DETAILS Maximum plate width: 4,300 mm Maximum plate length: 2,200 mm Maximum saw blade overhang: 125 mm Number of grippers: 10 Number of work tables: 4 MACHINE DETAILS Programming software: CADMATIC 4 Control system: WINDOWS XP EQUIPMENT Swiveling unit Dsdpfoy Ur Dqox Adrokr Lift table Roller feed table Lift table (manufacturer: LAWECO, dimensions: 1,000 x 2,500 mm) Barcode label printer (model: ZEBRA ZT231) Scoring unit The machine is sold and delivered in its actual and legal condition ("as is, where is") based on photo documentation and technical/commercial documents with a descriptive character. The buyer has the right to inspect the goods before collection and assumes responsibility for the installation, securing, and use of the machine at its destination. External reference: 8524

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2010, functionality: fully functional, Used Holz-Her Cut 6120 - Year of manufacture: 2010 - Availability: End of September 2026 - Automatic cutting height adjustment Dodpfx Adjziwqperjkr - Scoring unit - Saw blade projection: 82 mm - Label printer - Cutting length: 4400 mm - Electronically controlled pressure beam and saw carriage for short cycles - Grooving program / motor-adjustable

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2019, Panel saw SCHELLING FH4 with turning device and panel storage system. Dkedpfx Aezfavyjdrer

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2001, functionality: fully functional, We offer this Giben KG.8250 slab bandsaw, ready for use, manufactured in 2001. Manufacturer: Giben Model: KG.8250 Dodjzaiwdspfx Adrskr Year of manufacture: 2001 Condition: ready for use Identification category: 1426 Identification type: 844 Machine type: slab bandsaw If you have any questions or require further information, please do not hesitate to send us a message or call us.

Condition: good (used), Code: 0188 Brand: GIBEN Model: ONIX SP 90 CHALLENGE LINE - CE Standard Automatic horizontal panel saw with clamps for cutting wood panels, multilayer panels, furniture, composite materials, sandwich panels and various materials - CE Standard Dksdpfjw Ec Rijx Adrsr Cutting dimensions mm 4400 x 4300 Blade projection mm 90 Blade carriage: feed speed 5/100 mt/min - return speed 100 mt/min Main blade diameter mm 350 - Motor Hp 12,5 Scoring blade diameter 180 mm - Motor Hp 2 Pusher: feed speed 1/25 mt/min - return speed 60 mt/min Frontal loading of panel stack and pusher with clamps N° 3 front air cushion tables Automatic pusher with side upper guides equipped with 7 pneumatic clamps. The steel clamps keep the stack blocked throughout the panel sizing cycle up to the last trim cut. Automatic lateral aligner Automatic adjustment of the blade projection in relation to the height of the pack to be sawn. Electronic control of the speed and position of the saw carriage Easy access to the saw carriage Pneumatic unit for rapid tool removal G-VISION control: Giben machine control software installed on a PC. Multi-tasking Microsoft Windows XP/2000/NT operating system for easy networking Advantages: Sequential control of cutting patterns, number of panels, and pattern sequence change. Parametric control of the feed speed of the saw carriage according to the stack height and trim width. Direct control of machine functions. Setting of cutting patterns. Suction: diameter suction inlets 200 mm Compressed air 6-7 bar Overall dimensions of assembled machine: mm 6400 x 7500 x 1800 h Overall dimensions for transport: machine mm 6500 x 1500 x 1800 h - pusher mm 5200 x 1200 x 1200 h Total weight kg 3200

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2021, functionality: fully functional, The kappa automatic 80 boasts the most powerful sawing performance in its class. This model clearly distinguishes itself from the competition with its solid pressure beam, steel material pusher, and durable, high-quality machine construction. High-end cut edges, maximum precision, and exceptional repeatability are the result of this philosophy. The newly developed saw carriage of the kappa automatic features a cut direction against the fence. The newly designed control panel with a 24" monitor, the cut direction against the fence, and the 77 mm saw blade projection are standard features of this machine. Ergonomic control panel with 24" monitor. The new saw carriage features a cut direction against the fence. The carriage runs smoothly and quietly at feed rates of up to 100 m/min. Dodpjy Nc Tlofx Adrjkr

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1999, functionality: fully functional, power: 16 kW (21.75 HP), cutting height (max.): 90 mm, cutting width (max.): 4,500 mm, saw blade diameter: 30 mm, cutting length (max.): 4,500 mm, Cutting length 4500 mm Cutting width 4300 mm Cutting height 90 mm Saw blade diameter max. 350 mm Main saw motor: 7.5 kW Djdpfewu Ib Ssx Adrjkr Scoring saw blade diameter max. 160 mm Scoring unit motor power 1.5 kW Air cushion tables: 3 pcs 1230 x 400 mm Clamping jaws 7 pcs Saw carriage height adjustment on THK guides Pressure beam with slots (pass through) Side aligner Pneumatic quick-release saw blade system Extraction diameter 4 x 120 Installation dimensions L x W 6700 x 7100 mm Weight approx. 2500 kg

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2014, machine/vehicle number: 208.025, functionality: fully functional, cutting width (max.): 4,200 mm, cutting length (max.): 4,200 mm, stack height: 2,000 mm, Auction of a panel dividing saw with automatic magazine! TECHNICAL DETAILS Capacity: 4,200 mm x 4,200 mm Dkjdpfezhm E Hsx Adrer Saw blade overhang at 90°: 72 mm Saw blade overhang at 45°: 50 mm Saw carriage feed rate (forward): 0-100 m/min Saw carriage feed rate (reverse): 0-100 m/min Feed rate of program slider: 0-25 m/min Program slider return speed: 80 m/min Collet maximum opening: 84 mm Collet positions: 65/245/395/985/1,605/2,225/2,845/3,465 mm Cross-pressure range: 50 - 1,250 mm MACHINE DETAILS Main saw motor: 14 kW Scoring saw motor: 1.5 kW Electrical supply: 400 V, 50 Hz, 3-phase Automatic magazine Magazine dimensions: 33.1 x 9.4 m Magazine height: 3,600 mm Stack height: 2,000 mm Input stack height: 1,900 mm Magazine speed X: 0-150 m/min Magazine speed Y: 0-150 m/min Magazine speed Z: 0-60 m/min Maximum panel weight: 300 kg Length adjustment of vacuum lifter: 2,000 - 4,200 mm Width adjustment of vacuum lifter: 1,000 x 2,100 mm Vacuum pump: 40 m³/h Rotating device: 90°

Condition: excellent (used), Roller conveyors for the furniture industry, WTT Fördertechnik GmbH, Type 121 750 units of complete roller conveyors, each 3m long. Price per unit: 1 unit = 80 EUR (total length 3m) For larger quantities, price upon request. Djdowwmitepfx Adrekr Detailed description: Roller conveyor length L = 3000 mm Installation length IL = 500 mm Load roller spacing T = 200 mm Roller conveyor height H = 280 mm +/- 25 mm adjustable Number of feet FA = 1 unit per running meter Consists of: - 2 units of side rails, each 3000 mm long, made of profile 20/80/40/3 mm, with a grid dimension of 25 mm, holes suitable for a 12 mm diameter axle, powder-coated in RAL 6011 green. Weight per side rail 8.15 kg - 15 units of insertable load rollers Series 4.5.80.1.12.1.5.00 Steel tube - 80 x 2.0 mm wall thickness, Axle - 12 mm spring axle, Bearing – steel insert with reinforced, pressed special ball bearings. Surface of the load rollers is plain steel. Installation length IL = 500 mm Weight per roller 2.4 kg - 3 units of screw-on bridge support feet in a stable, welded construction made of special profile with cross brace, height adjustable by +/- 25 mm via threaded spindle M16 with screw slot. With floor mounting plates and dowel hole. Powder-coated in RAL 3000 red. Weight per foot – 2.5 kg. (Subject to changes and errors in the technical data as well as prior sale)

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2007, cutting length (max.): 4,250 mm, Panel saw manufactured in 2007. This HOLZHER 6310 CUT 110 features a cutting length of 4250 mm and a cutting width of 2700 mm. It includes a Cut Control system with touchscreen operation, a saw carriage with main and scoring saw, and a grooving unit with adjustable depth settings. If you are looking to get high-quality cutting capabilities, consider the HOLZHER 6310 CUT 110 panel saw we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Condition note: not rebuilt – without warranty • Cutting width: 2700 mm (original 5250 mm, shortened by 2550 mm to 2700 mm) • Screen on the right • Control: Cut Control system with touchscreen operation • Angle clamping device on the right • Saw carriage: main/scoring saw controlled • Motor power: 18.5 kW (main) / 2.2 kW (scoring) • Scoring saw: manual adjustment in width and height • Grooving unit: 2 groove height settings (groove depth adjustable 2–12 mm, up to max. 9–19 mm) • Label printer: TLP2742 • Cutting-out unit • Additional blow-off unit traveling with the saw carriage Dsdpfx Adsy N Scporskr • 3 additional support tables, 2400 mm, with travel mechanism • Control cabinet on machine side, incl. speed monitoring with safety shut-off • Postforming unit, incl. scoring unit • Automatic central lubrication • Enclosed pressure beam • Film cutting device Additional equipment • Optional at extra charge: Dust extraction system (€4,000.00) • Brand: AL-KO • Model: POWER UNIT 300P • Year of manufacture: 2011 • Airflow: 5089 m³/h • Vacuum: 2050 pA • Motor power: 7.5 kW • Suction inlet: 300 mm • Collection: 3 tanks, 250 l each • Integrated automatic shut-off

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2002, functionality: fully functional, Equipment: documentation/manual, Giben panel saw model Prismaic 2 SPT H 100 – Year 2002 Dsdpey R D Rhjfx Adrekr Machine in excellent condition, fully operational and ready for use. Equipped with side rear loading. Cutting width: 4300 mm. ✔ Function tests performed ✔ Complete maintenance (pneumatic, mechanical, and electronic) Machine inspected and overhauled by a company specializing in service and maintenance. 📞 Contact us for more information or to schedule a demonstration.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2007, machine/vehicle number: 220.242, functionality: fully functional, saw blade diameter: 350 mm, cutting length (max.): 4,300 mm, No reserve price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! TECHNICAL DETAILS Cutting Data Dksdpfx Aox Sqpmodrer Nominal cutting length: 4,300 mm Maximum saw blade diameter (S): 350 mm Scoring blade diameter (V): 300 mm Maximum saw blade projection above table (U): 95 mm Stack Height and Panel Thickness Maximum stack height (P): 80 mm Minimum panel thickness (P): 3 mm Strip Aligner Minimum aligning force: 300 N Maximum aligning force: 990 N Additional Specifications Maximum clamp opening (K): 90 mm Working height: 970 mm Overall height: 2,020 mm Machine Accuracy Positioning accuracy: ± 0.1 mm (measured at feed-in) Cutting straightness: ± 0.1 mm over 3 m cutting length Electrical Power and Speeds Main saw motor power: 15 kW Saw carriage forward speed: 5 – 120 m/min Saw carriage return speed: 120 m/min Feed-in forward speed: up to 80 m/min (Europe 25 m/min EN 1870-13) Feed-in return speed: up to 80 m/min EQUIPMENT Strip aligner Label printer Optimization software HPO/F N5

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2017, - Cutting width (mm): 4300 Djdpfx Adey Tm Dcjrokr - Cutting depth (mm): 4200 - Cutting height (mm): approx. 80 - Power (kW): 16 - Vacuum suction pads: included

Condition: excellent (used), Panel Beam Saw - With rear lifting table Numerical Control MCS Evolution 2.0 with Software SP2 on Windows XP Lifting table (mm) 2200 x 4300 Djdpfoilluksx Adrskr Twin Pusher Clamps / grippers 7 Max. cutting width (mm) 4250 Max blade projection (mm) 135 Max. clamps opening (mm) 125 Scoring Unit (max saw diameter 200 mm) Main Sawing Unit (max saw diameter 460mm / power (KW 21 / HP 28) Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 6 - 150 Front supporting Air cushion tables (No.) 3 Total power (Kw) 43 (ca.) OPTIONAL: Optimisation software: HPO

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2021, Angular sawing plant Numerical Control PowerControl V2.1 - CADmatic 5 (Tapio ready) No. 1 Rollers table for pre-loading (useful mm 2200 x 4500 approx) Lifting table (mm) 4300 x 2200 1st Rear-pusher, with No. 4 clamps/grippers 1st Panel Saw - Max cutting width mm 4300 Max blade projection (mm) 125 Scoring Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 180 (Kw 2,2) Main Sawing Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 450 (Kw 28) Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 1 - 150 m/min 2nd Rear-pusher, with No. 8 clamps/grippers 2nd Panel Saw - Max cutting width mm 2200 Max blade projection (mm) 125 Scoring Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 180 (Kw 2,2) Dkjdpfsx Aqdcsx Adrsr Main Sawing Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 450 (Kw 28) Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 1 - 150 m/min No. 2 Front supporting tables with Air blowing system (2 x mm 800 x 2810) Total installed power A 102 OPTION: No. 1 Waste grinder

Condition: excellent (used), PANEL BEAM SAW WITH REAR LIFTING TABLE Numerical Control Power Concept Software CADmatic 4 Professional Lifting scissor table (mm) 4300 x 2200 No. 2 Rear pushers (TWIN PUSHER) Mod. POWER CONCEPT With clamps / grippers RETENTION DEVICE FOR THIN PANELS (Minimum thickness 3 mm) Max. cutting width (mm) 4300 Useful stroke of the pushing system (mm) 4300 Max blade projection (mm) 95 (automatic) Scoring Unit (max saw diameter / power) 180 / Kw 2,2 Main Sawing Unit (max saw diameter / power) 380 / Kw 13,5 (Max 18) Dkedpoimr Icefx Adror Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 1 - 150 Front supporting tables with Air blowing system (N.) 4 Total power (Kw) 28 OPTION: - Software Cut Rite (optimizzazione/optimisation) SCHNITT PROFI (T) PACKAGE: PRACTIVE - Labels Printer (Option) - Software LABELING PACK BR 3/4/5 (etichette/labels)

Condition: excellent (used), Horizontal Panel Beam Saw - With rear lifting table Numerical Control MCS Evolution Djdpsq Rffisfx Adrjkr Software Lifting table (mm) 4300 x 2200 No. 2 Rear pushers (one with clamps / grippers) No. 8 clamps / grippers Max. cutting width (mm) 4200 Useful stroke of the pushing system (mm) 4200 Max blade projection (mm) 135 Max clamps opening (mm) 125 Scoring Unit (max saw diameter / power) 200 mm Main Sawing Unit (max saw diameter / power) 460 mm - Kw 21 Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 6 - 150 Front Turning table (rotating at 90°) with air blowing system (mm 2100 x 4100) Total power (Kw) 36 (ca.)

Condition: excellent (used), Numerical Control Power Control + Software Cadmatic 4 Professional N° 1 Infeed roller tracks (ca.) 18,000 mm + (OPTIONAL: Infeeder with chains) Lifting table (mm) 5600 x 2200 VAC loader (sliding bridge) with fan suction for loading special or delicate panels 1° Rear-pusher, with No. 6 clamps/grippers Turning device (rotating unit) at 90° 1° Panel Saw - Max cutting width mm 5600 (cutting line with air cushion) Max blade projection (mm) 170 Scoring Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 200 (Kw 2,2) Main Sawing Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 570 ( Kw 30) Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (QS) (m/min) 1 - 150 m/min Djdjf Nkv Sspfx Adrokr 2° Rear-pusher, with No. 7 (+1) clamps/grippers 2° Panel Saw - Max cutting width mm 2200 (cutting line with air cushion) Max blade projection (mm) 170 Scoring Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 200 (Kw 2,2) Main Sawing Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 570 (Kw 30) Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (QS) (m/min) 1 - 150 m/min Waste evacuation system with grinder (Kw 19.5) No. 2 Front supporting tables with Air blowing system (mm 800 x 2160) Plastic wheels coated with special material to avoid scratching delicate panels Automatic unloading System of the cut panels (N° 2 roller conveyors) Typ 68/20 and Typ 58/24 + N° 3 tables with motorised belts: 2 x Typ 255/56/2 and 1 x Typ 27/56) Total power Kw 110 ca.

Condition: excellent (used), Angular sawing plant Numerical Control Cadmatic 4 professional Rollers table for pre-loading No. 1 (mm 2200 x 4400) Lifting table (mm) 2200 x 4300 1st Rear pusher, with clamps No. 4 1st Panel Saw Max cutting width (mm) 4300 Max blade projection (mm) 125 Scoring Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 180 (Kw 2,2) Main Sawing Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 450 (Kw 18) Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 0-150 Dkedpspuh Dkjfx Adror 2nd Rear pusher, with clamps No. 8 2nd Panel saw Max cutting width (mm) 2200 Max blade projection (mm) 125 Scoring Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 180 (Kw 2,2) Main Sawing Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 450 (Kw 18) Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 0-150 Front supporting tables with Air blowing system No. 2 With extra long air blowing table to facilitare the evacuation of the cut panels Total power Kw 52.6

Condition: excellent (used), Panel Beam Saw - With rear lifting table Numerical Control POWER CONTROL Software CADmatic 4 Professional Lifting scissor table (mm) 3800 x 2200 Rear pushers (N.) 1 With clamps / grippers 7 Turning device (rotating unit) at 90° Max. cutting width (mm) 3800 Useful stroke of the pushing system (mm) 3800 Max blade projection (mm) 95 Djdpfxoh Imvho Adrskr Scoring Unit (max saw diameter / power) mm 180 / Kw 2,2 Main Sawing Unit (max saw diameter / power) mm 380 / Kw 13,5 Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 1 - 130 Front supporting tables with Air blowing system (N.) 3 (2160mm x 650mm) Total power (Kw) 28 (ca.)

Condition: excellent (used), Horizontal Panel Beam Saw - With rear lifting table Numerical Control MCS Evolution Software SIEMENS WinAC RTX Outside Roller table for pre-loading (mm 5600 x 2200) + Pre-Loading Buffer Lifting table (mm) 4300 x 2200 Turning device (rotating unit) at 90° No. 2 Rear pushers (one with clamps / grippers) Twin Pusher - DUPLUS2 Dkjdpst Ah Niofx Adrsr No. 12 clamps / grippers Max. cutting width (mm) 4300 Useful stroke of the pushing system (mm) 4300 Max blade projection (mm) 145 Max clamps opening (mm) 150 Scoring Unit (max saw diameter / power) 200 mm Main Sawing Unit (max saw diameter / power) 480 mm - Kw 27 Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 6 - 150 Front supporting tables with Air blowing system (N.) 4 Total power (Kw) 42 (ca.) OPTIONAL: Optimisation software: HPO

Condition: excellent (used), Angular sawing plant Dodpfjukhd Aox Adrskr Numerical Control OSI Plus - Software Optiplanning N. 2 Pre-loading roller tables (mm) approx. 4500 x 2200 each Lifting table (mm) 4500 x 2200 1° Rear-pusher, with No. 5 clamps/grippers Turning device (rotating unit) at 90° 1° Panel saw (longitudinal) max. cutting width (mm) 4500 Max blade projection (mm) 152 Scoring Unit (max. diameter saw) mm approx. 215 Main Sawing Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 530 ( Kw 30) Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 1 - 170 m/min Cutter for shredding trimmings 2° Rear-pusher, with No. 10 clamps/grippers 2° Panel Saw - Max cutting width mm 2200 Max blade projection (mm) 152 Scoring Unit (max. diameter saw) mm approx. 215 Main Sawing Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 530 (Kw 30) Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 1 - 170 m/min No. 2 Front supporting tables with Air blowing system mm 2200 x 1500 Automatic unloader (bridge) for cut panels "RBO (BIESSE)" Mod. Lifter with 6 stacking stations

Condition: excellent (used), Panel Beam Saw - Without rear lifting table Numerical Control MCS Evolution Software Windows XP Rear pusher With No. 7 clamps / grippers Max. cutting width (mm) 4300 Useful stroke of the pushing system (mm) _____ Max. blade projection (mm) 105 Max clamps opening (mm) 105 Scoring Unit (max. diameter saw) mm 200 Dkedpou A R D Defx Adrer Main Sawing Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 360 - Kw 18 Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 0 - 160 No. 3 Front supporting tables with Air blowing system Total power (Kw) 35

Condition: excellent (used), O04024) AUTOMATIC BOARD STORAGE SYSTEM for PANELS - SIRIO Total Space Required (with panel saw) mm 10000 x mm 47000 (ca.) Dsdpfxswrz Dbe Adrekr Mobile upper bridge (on X-axis), with mobile carriage (on Y-axis) and relative vacuum suction cup assembly (mobile on Z-axis) max. speed Mobile upper bridge (on X axis) 150 m/min (ca.) moving carriage speed (on Y axis) 150 m/min (ca.) vacuum suction cup group speed (mobile in Z axis) 60 m/min (ca.) Vacuum suction cup group, 90° rotating Automatic management system (by scanner) of the cut panels (but remaining in the warehouse) O04025) PANEL SAW WITH REAR LIFTING TABLE Mod. FH 6 430 Numerical Control MCS Evolution. Software SIEMENS WinAC RTX Rear pushers (N.) 1 Twin Pusher - DUPLUS2. With No. 12 clamps / grippers Max. cutting width (mm) 4300. Useful stroke of the pushing system (mm) 4300 Max. blade projection (mm) 135 Scoring Unit (max. diameter saw) mm 200 Main Sawing Unit (max. diameter saw / power) mm 460 / Kw 21 Turning device (rotating unit) at 90° Adjustable speed of the saw carriage (m/min) 1 - 150 No. 5 Front supporting tables with Air blowing system Total power (Kw) 33 (ca.)